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Suddenly, Iran is aflame with protest

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by Thedimon, Nov 19, 2019.

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  1. ARDY

    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what do you think is the bottom line here?
    You seem to be making the point that the Iranian regime is bad news; that it does not reflect the will of the people; that they will successfully suppress dissent.... perhaps until dissent reaches an unsurpassable level

    Is this situation something that should interest us? And in what way is the situation in Iran different than North Korea in terms of its significance for this country ?
     
    ARDY, Nov 20, 2019
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  2. Kal'Stang

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    Put simply? Religion.
     
    Kal'Stang, Nov 20, 2019
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    Let's send that great muslim negotiator Obama over to soothe their souls.
     
    StarFox, Nov 20, 2019
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    The ones who demonstrate are not necessary pro american or pro west.

    I have news for you. You have a religious anti american government in Iran now. It would at best be replaced by a hyper nationalist anti american government.

    The iranians i know are atheist, nationalists and fiercly anti american.
     
    Sobo, Nov 20, 2019
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    Iran will always dominate the persian gulf and entire region, no matter what government, religion or status at all.

    Its culture is millenia old. It predates anything in the region. They form a cultural, monolithic block, similar to China. They are organized, educated and have the highest population.

    You have two options at hand.

    1. A friendly relationship with the regional power Iran
    2. hostile relations with the regional power Iran.
     
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  6. Thedimon

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    I don’t hope for pro-US government in Iran. I hope for the reasonable one.
    And judging from your views that you voiced here, I wouldn’t rely on your circle of friends to be an indicator of general attitudes. You are on the extreme end.
     
    Thedimon, Nov 20, 2019
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  7. Doofenshmirtz

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    I know an Iranian so I can make baseless predictions as if I knew what was going on. Iran may be an old culture, but the majority of the population is young. These minor skirmishes are getting bigger as these people are growing tired of living in the past. I know an Iranian, so you can't question my position on this.
     
    Doofenshmirtz, Nov 20, 2019
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  8. Sobo

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    You do realize that young iranians tend to be rather atheist but hyper nationalistic? You can twist it as you want. The american dream to have a muppet Iran wont become true.

    Most likely relations will turn even worse.
     
    Sobo, Nov 20, 2019
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    What on my views is "extreme end"? The view that German interests should be priority? The idea that other nationals see their nation as Nr. 1 priority must shock you.
     
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  10. Doofenshmirtz

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    I know an Iranian, so I know everything. What Iranians really want is more global interference!
     
    Doofenshmirtz, Nov 20, 2019
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  11. Sobo

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    Sorry but im not in the mood to scale down my intelelctual capcity today.
     
    Sobo, Nov 20, 2019
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  12. Thingamabob

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    Not at all. Preservation.
     
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    Yeah, before we overthrew the elected leader and replaced him with the shah. another great example of US interference backfiring in out faces.
     
    Observing, Nov 20, 2019
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    Please, I am no trump supporter by any means, but he has about 5% of the blame pie. BUSH/Bush/Cheney have around 50%, Obama/Clinton/Kerry have about 30% and Eisehower/Dulles the remaining. Reagan and Carter were the last two presidents who tried to get anything done peace wise there.
     
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    You beat me to it.
     
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    Good because that isn't possible. I know an Iranian, so I know what Im talking about.
     
    Doofenshmirtz, Nov 20, 2019
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    Or you know a fringe Iranian who got out of Iran while the getting was good...
     
    wgabrie, Nov 20, 2019
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  18. fmw

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    Tighter sanctions.
     
    fmw, Nov 20, 2019
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    I know an Iranian as well but that doesn't make me an expert on the country.
     
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    The difference is, i was in Iran. Know people there. Visited Esfahan, Tehran, Shiraz in 2017.
     
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    Sanctions never worked. In not a single case in world history.

    Sanctions against Russia so it let go Crimea? lol

    Sanctions against Syria so Assad steps down? lol

    Sanctions against North Korea so it stops its Nuclear program? trolololo

    Sanctions did not work whe USA still had the power to do something and they wont work now when USA global influence has shrinked to its current state.
     
    Sobo, Nov 20, 2019
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    I visited Germany. I visited cities from Hamburg to Munich. I'm not an expert about Germany either. I have lived in Cuba, Italy, Mexico and South Korea as well as the U.S. I can claim some expertise about those countries.
     
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    Having visited a place at least gives you an edge about the morons who believe if the Mullahs fall, they will be replaced by an "USA USA USA **** YEAH! iranian government.

    The reality is, that it would be a hyper nationalist government, anti american to the core but atheist and connected more to Iranian nationalism.
     
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    Well that's one opinion.
     
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    Its not an opinion, its a fact. USA interests in the region are contrary to Irans interests. And interests dont depend in regime. Iran is a regional power. USA could only work with a submissive Iran like in Shah era. But that will be impossible now.
     
    Sobo, Nov 20, 2019
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