To impeach or not to impeach, that is the question

I prefer his removal from office. The President's loyalty to Vladimir Putin must come to an end.

 

As I have been telling you for close to 3 years:
Trump will remain your President until at least January 2021, and there's nothing you can do about it.

 

Yeah, you have been a broken record.

 

I'm sorry you do not like that nothing you say or do here will change the fact Trump will remain your President until at least January 2021 - but there's nothing you can do about it.

 

There is no evidence whatsoever that President Trump has any "loyalty" to Vladimir Putin whatsoever. All I've seen from you is speculation along the lines of "Trump did this and Putin must've wanted this so Trump is loyal to Putin".

Bad logic Shanks.

 

Helsinki, retreat in Syria and Russian occupation of American bases, withholding military aid to Ukraine in her fight against Russian aggression.

In other words, either you haven't been paying attention or, like all Trumpets, you hear only what you want to hear.

 

Many watched Rep. Adam Schiff and his summary of the House Intelligence Committee's impeachment report. He was calm, professional, informative, and convincing. He was competent and skillful in his presentation.

This is our President:

“I learn nothing from Adam Schiff, I think he’s a maniac. I think Adam Schiff is a deranged human being. I think he grew up with a complex for lots of reasons that are obvious. I think he’s a very sick man, and he lies.”

Trump's press secretary said "Chairman Schiff’s report reads like the ramblings of a basement blogger straining to prove something when there is evidence of nothing.”

Trump's fans love this in their President.

 

Do not call me a "Trumpet". I don't like him. I've supported him for my own reasons that I've given.

1) Military aid was in fact delivered to Ukraine. Much more effective aid than the previous administration had delivered in fact.
2) Major increases in U.S. defense spending.
3) The U.S. launching missiles against Russian bases in Syria.
4) U.S. troops slaughtering dozens (possibly hundreds) of Russian mercenaries in Syria.

What more do you want?

 

Business Insider reports, "The House Intelligence Committee on Tuesday released its report on its central findings in the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump, and buried within it were details on phone calls between Republican Rep. Devin Nunes of California and several key figures implicated in the inquiry.

"The report said that "phone records show contacts" in April between Nunes, the ranking member on the House Intelligence Committee and one of Trump's staunchest defenders in Congress; Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor who's now Trump's personal lawyer; the Ukrainian-born businessman Lev Parnas; and the investigative reporter John Solomon, who has written several articles for The Hill peddling conspiracy theories about Ukrainian election interference.

"Phone records also show contacts on April 10 between Mr. Giuliani and Rep. Nunes, consisting of three short calls in rapid succession, followed by a text message, and ending with a nearly three minute call," the report said.

"Giuliani has largely emerged as Trump's point man in the Ukrainian pressure campaign, heavily implicated in a broad, shadowy effort to pressure Ukraine to launch investigations that would be advantageous to Trump's reelection campaign."

GOP Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) is the panel’s ranking member, a staunch Trump supporter, and he consistently questioned the legitimacy of the probe.

 

So?

 

You don't like him, but you support him.

 

Why are you unable to understand supporting someone you don't like? Loathe in fact? Are you suggesting you've never done that? I wouldn't believe you.

 

The Times reports, "Three constitutional scholars invited by Democrats to testify at Wednesday’s impeachment hearings said that President Trump’s efforts to pressure Ukraine for political gain clearly meet the historical definition of impeachable offenses, according to copies of their opening statements."

Trump can't even defend himself. He is sending no lawyers to defend him in the hearings that have begun this week.

It should also be noted that Trump's fans can't defend him, either.

 

House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler had a blunt message as he privately addressed Democrats the day before his panel assumes a starring role in the impeachment inquiry.

“I’m not going to take any ****,” Nadler said in a closed-door prep session Tuesday morning — a rare cuss word from the lawyerly Manhattan Democrat that prompted some lawmakers to sit up in their chairs, according to multiple people in the room.

Nadler has got to be careful. The Republicans on his committee will hard to make him lose his cool. He needs to be smart or the hearings will become about him, not Trump.

 

Why should Trump supporters defend him? I don't think even if every claim made about him is 100% accurate that it justifies impeaching him and removing him from office.

 

That really funny, yesterday, within 10 minutes, you posted this exact same post 4 times, in 4 different threads and have the nerve to post the above, minutes later. LOL seriously?
It's right in your posting record.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1071218319/

 

This violates the board rules for cross-posting spam.
If you can find the posts, report them.

 

I dont know how to link them all in one post but there they are in yesterdays post history, in the 1 pm hour.

 

I'll get it - thanks!

 

The hearing of the House Judiciary Committee today was illuminating. When it came to questioning by committee members the difference between the Democrats and the Republicans was startling.

The Democrats concentrated on the evidence and the impeachment charges while engaging the witnesses, four experts on our Constitution.

The Republicans largely provided their own testimony, and, while some dealt with the actual evidence and used the witnesses, roughly 90% of their questioning involved their own testimony. Some went back in history and alleged abuse of power by FDR, Johnson, JFK, Obama, and others. Others criticized and misrepresented the proceedings.

Those that dealt with the evidence, denied it existed or mischaracterized it. Some tried to legitimize the debunked story that Ukraine interfered in our election in 2016. Some argued Trump's obstruction was not really obstruction. Some denied Congressional oversight of the executive branch. Some argued that Trump's request of foreign interference in our Presidential election was okay, and that there was no bribery because Trump didn't say he was bribing Zelensky.

In other words, if Republicans on the Judiciary Committee could not adequately defend Trump, it is easy to see why his fans can't.

Of course, both have a problem. Trump is guilty as charged. That is why he is offering no defense and is relying on Trump Republicans in the Senate to get him off the hook.

 

After the July 25 phone call with Zelensky, as he usually does, Trump doubled on the Biden investigation. On Oct. 3, in a news conference on the White House lawn, he called on Ukraine and China to look into former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter.

“If they were honest about it, they would start a major investigation into the Bidens,” Trump said when asked what he wanted Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky to do about the former veep and his son.

“They should investigate the Bidens,” Trump said. “Likewise, China should start an investigation into the Bidens, because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/03/trump-calls-for-ukraine-china-to-investigate-the-bidens.html

Those who argue there is no evidence of Trump's abuse of power, seeking foreign interference in our Presidential election to his advantage, those who say the evidence is all hearsay are ignoring these statements and the statements he made in the July 25 call.

 

I've been in court enough times to know those are perfectly legitimate tactics.

 

Your the one with no original thoughts, you are copying and pasting the same exact post in up to 6 threads, minutes apart. Flooding the board. Why should anyone reply to it when you just post the SAME EXACT thing, in multiple threads in mere minutes? Talk about pathetic posting tactics.
Getting your money's worth from that copy and paste.

 

Jonathan Turley, arguably the top constitutional lawyer in the United States (and NOT a Trump supporter) seems to disagree with you Sandy regarding impeachment.

 

The report function is BUSY today!