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You don’t have to. And then we can all agree that the constitution mentions nothing about a nation

 

Just like it doesn’t mention sig sauer p226. Reality remains in place. The sig is your legal right to own. The US is a single sovereign nation.

 

The challenge is for you to cite the language that says “nation”.

 

The reality is I have no obligation to.

 

Of course you don't. You don't need to justify your claim that the constitution contains any language indicating that the US is a nation. Whether you decide to do so is entirely up to you.

 

Strawman. I’ve repeatedly called you out for doing this. I’ve never made any such claim. Address what I say, not what you make up and pretend I say.

I have no obligation to defend arguments you make up and attribute to me.

 

Of course you don't. In fact, I'm not attributing anything to you, my precious sensitive snowflake.

I'm simply saying that the word "nation" appears nowhere in the constitution.

 

lol...........

I never made that claim. You made it up, and attributed it to me. I call you out for this **** constantly.

Which has no effect on reality. The US remains a sovereign nation.

 

@rahl
@Longshot


As a "nation" The Constitution gives the Federals the power of coinage
and I believe "foreign policy" among others.


Sadly, the powers of the States get smaller and smaller.
Imagine 50 ObamaCare programs and not one.
California Public Education was better before the Federals and their testing & CORE curriculum.
Indigent Medical Care in California was better for the recipient than
LBJ's MediCaid that over powered it.


There was a reason for the 10th Amendment.
Powers not defined to the Federals are State powers.
That would include, Health, Education, Welfare, Housing & Urban Development, etc.


50 "nations" within
1 "nation". A Federal system intended but, lost.



Moi
CalExit supporter.

Don't ize,
Enough already.
Best to dissolve the the Ottawa bankers driven
union of provinces!
Restore Province's Freedoms & Autonomy
from Ottawa tyranny.​

 

States "decriminalizing" did!

 

Not in Presidential (or we wouldn't have the EC) or Senatorial Elections. Voting for president didn't happen until the 4th election when Jefferson demanded it in order to accept the nomination. Voting for Senate didn't happen until after the Civil War. House elections were the only Fed elections that anyone voted in originally. A handful of Founders like Jefferson and Paine were the only proper revolutionaries, most were just in it to avoid taxes and/or keep slaves.

 

Wrong, white landowners could vote in 1776.


1776 White men with property have the right to vote, but Catholics, Jews, Quakers, and others are barred from voting. 1787 Constitution gave State the power to set voting mandates, most were still favorable to white males who owned property.
cmsdev.polkcountyiowa.gov › media
History of Voting in the US 1776 White men with ... - Polk County Iowa

 

No we are a union of 50 states.


Does United states of America give a person a clue?


50 states United.

 

You've been watching too much television. Get serious, will you?

This is a DEBATE forum, not a Message Board between old school-friends.

Definition of the word "debate":

Now, pray tell, how is your response above an "opposing argument" ... ?

 

This is not a debate, this is some people using propaganda to further a cause

 

More idle nonsense.

M R A ...

 

Rules of law is idle nonsense?

 

This is like me posting, every one must buy ford F150s because I think it's a law.

Preposterous.

 

So...you are saying that your post was more idle nonsense?

Progress my friend...progress!

 

So I was right in the first place. The constitution nowhere refers to the union as a nation.

 

More mindless sarcasm ...

 

What a bunch of nonsensical rebarbitation.

Yes, anarchy is not a lot of things. And it is even more difficult to understand-in-context when some people INVENT definitions to suit their ideological propensities.

Anarchy is in the Oxford dictionary and its definition is this:

May I suggest that it is the second of the above definitions that you prefer. That is, freedom of the individual much more so than "freedom of the collective in which you live".

In that case you should be living in a cave, all alone. With no dependence upon the state nor any protection from it either. That is, total independence and no dependence whatsoever. Complete and utter freedom of action, thought and spirituality.

Yeah, like a caveman ... !

PS: Unfortunately there are not enough caves to go-around. Moreover, a psychologist would explain that such behaviour is a soft mental-illness by which individuals are unable to cope with the lifestyle that surrounds them. Because it does not allow them to be sufficiently "different" and "independent" - which is what they selfishly want most.

 

Somewhat of an exaggeration but nonetheless you are spot-on-target. Yes, that is why the US is so vectored on complete Independence and the denial of a sense of communality. We are not a selfish people, but we do have an inflated sense of self-service. Which some call the, "What's-in-it-for-me Syndrome".

So what is good for the community is that likely best for the individual who depends upon that commonality. In such a context, when the Individual is more important than the Community, then personal-selfishness abounds. How many sons/daughters of millionaires do you know died in the so-called "defense of the nation" over in the Middle-east?

And why in heaven's name - if they are middle-class or beyond - should they join a military-service by which they would be putting their lives in danger?

MY POINT (Damn it!)

Well, it amazes me to tell you, that most recruits are NOT FROM THE LOWER CLASSES. See here:


So the point I wanted to make, I am unable to make. The stats are against me ...

 

Furthermore, from the above noted document:

 

No it didn’t. Pot is just as illegal in those states as it used to be, and the DEA could raid every dispensary and arrest anyone there with possession and intent to distribute and the state could not do a thing about it.