The purpose of Impeachment.

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  1. RodB

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    I haven't seen any search for the truth. Who is doing that?
     
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    I think she has gone off the deep end to the point of no return.
     
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    Hardcore Trumpers' inability to recognize the truth is hardly unique, but their messiah's desperate need to hide it relieves them of that onus.

    As they are well aware, it is essential for Trump not to testify under oath, gag every insider who can provide additional information, and conceal as much documentation as he can.
    That is even more vital for Trumpery than maintaining the lie that Fake Don would release his tax returns for public scrutiny.
     
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    I was curious and asked who is it that is actually searching for the truth. You evidently don't know who, but thanks for the effort.
     
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    Libs are only interested in “truth” when it advances socialism. And truth runs counter to socialism in most cases.
     
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    If you need to pretend that the sworn testimonies of all the dedicated public servants - and Trump's million dollar baby, Sondland - in responding to inquiries by both Republican and Democratic members of Congressional committees - has not served to ascertain the truth, and the Trump's refusing to testify under oath, gagging all his insiders in-the-know and concealing all relevant documents is somehow revelatory, you clearly have a perverted concept of truth.

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    "She wouldn’t hang my picture in the embassy, ok?
    She wouldn’t hang it. It look a year-and-a-half,
    two years for her to get the picture up!"

    (yet another petty lie by the sniveling Cry Baby)
     
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    Those "libs" that fester in your noggin will do whatever you dictate.

    In the real world, sworn testimony is conducive to exposing truth, and desperately concealing relevant information is not.
     
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    Except for one none of the witnesses ascertained truth. They all offered their opinion. My opinion might be that the moon is made of green cheese but that has nothing to do with truth. But my point was that the house committees are not interested in the truth. They are focused on finding any information that might sound derogatory enough to allow them to sneak an impeachment passed the public -- true or false, they do not care.
     
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    You need to demean the sworn testimony of knowledgable public servants and pretend that they know as little as you concerning Trump's scam. Patently false.

    You need to pretend that the Cry Baby refusing to testify under oath, gagging as many insiders in the know to prevent their providing their sworn testimony, and hiding documents that have been requested is somehow revelatory. Patently false.

    Evidence matters. Facts matter. Blind faith in Fake Don demands that they not matter, and must kept hidden from the American people.
     
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    Bad guys never win so long as the good guys don't give up.
     
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    The people with hammer & sickle flags in their garage are not “the good guys”.
     
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    This is the essence of what the scholars testified. I would expand two of your paragraphs that go beyond your narration on "monarchy" which was certainly a concern of the Founders, but also represent impeachable offenses.

    This is why elections are not enough. If a President is allowed to use their powers to do anything whatsoever to help in their re-election, it would keep them in power even against the actual will of the majority of the people. That is Monarchy.

    So, of course Trump committed crimes. He obstructed justice (as was demonstrated by Mueller), he manipulates witnesses, engages in nepotism, ... all of them things that are illegal. And enough to warrant the removal of a President. But they would not be the acts that would most shock the framers. What Trump did with Zelensky is what would shock them the most. A definite attempt at perpetuating himself in power

    I would argue that Contempt of congress, Witness tampering and intimidation, Obstruction of Justice, and Abuse of Power are also impeachable offenses identified by the Constitutional scholars. I believe courts have, at one time, classified these as Crimes Against the People of the United States. While these may not be specifically designed to keep a president in power, they rise to the level of high crimes against the people.
     
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    If Trump were doing actually doing this, the Democrats wouldn't have to desperately reach anywhere near as far as they have with this Ukraine nonsense.
    Nowhere did the Mueller report demonstrate Trump committed obstruction of justice.
     
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    True. Nor are the ones with three "k's" in theirs. And it's one of these who is now being impeached.
     
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    Apparently you never heard of the Alamo.
     
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    All this babble is just a fine example of left wing elitist "Just us". For two years you've changed the goal post at least a dozen times. Now Pelosi says it is only about Russia (after we've been on a three week tirade about the Ukraine) Listening to three elitist snob/professors babble on about nothing and attacking Baron Trump, turned the nations stomach toward your cause.
     
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    Ever hear of San Jacinto?
     
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    Wait a minute! Robert Byrd was the last KKK politician that comes to mind. He was Democrat. LBJ said after he enacted the "War on Poverty" it would keep the n-----s voting Democrat for decades. I think this may be the last decade.
     
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    Never giving up is no guarantee that the good guys will win in the long run. It would be nice, if that were true, but unfortunately, it is not. .They never gave up in the Alamo and there were no survivors. Mexico was going to get defeated in the long run because their logistics were impossible to sustain.
     
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    Agreed! This is the most relevant statement that came out of the whole hearing on Wednesday from any witness.

    Completely agree. And, not only that, he has committed these crimes in public. How in the world do the expect to defend him from those facts? Answer: they can't. And this is the reason why they don't address the facts. They just attack the process... and bang the table and scream like hell!

    And that's all Republicans in the Senate have to justify a vote to save Trump. Unless half of American voters are brain-dead, these guys will pay dearly if they do save him.
     
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    Oh... So you think the Mexicans were the good guys?
     
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    Really? Well... looks like you've been away from politics for a while.
     
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    Just how did you come to that ignorant conclusion?
     
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    Which at no time was anything stated as being conditional on that favor.

    t we will remember is how the democrats distorted the facts to come to those conclusions.
     
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    I guess I got it from your ignorant statement.

    But I'm not wasting my time going down the rabbit hole with you. You figure it out! I'll just give you one hint: Texas is an American State. And I'm done...
     

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