Another Putin assassination

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  1. Poohbear

    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And another one bites the dust...
    You only hear about them OUTSIDE of Russia.

    A Chechen rebel commander has been murdered in Germany.
    And as usual, Russia refuses to co-operate with the investigation.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50672005
     
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    Why would the Asiatic vatniks co operate. LOL.
     
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    That chechen lived from german tax money, chechens are known terrorists.

    This was a victimless crime.
     
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    So Merkel is spitting the dummy because she can't keep terrorists safe :rolleyes:
     
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    Reminds me of hillary asking in regards to assange. ..cant we just drone him?

    Also that we murder our enemies by drones with Obama being the king of drone murders and even killing others as collateral damage.

    In hypocrisy we hold putin to different standards.

    Reality is so dirty and runs on hypocrisy.

    So few are able to notice. Or have the integrity to care.

    We better hope we never get what we deserve in justice.
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Moral Equivalency.
    Even Trump doesn't kill his (numerous) critics.
    Nor does Germany, France, England and other liberal, democratic, rule-of-law countries.
    I was ridiculed for often saying to Lefties that their support for the Marxist rulers of the
    USSR and China/Indo-China would simply transfer to supporting the same nations if they
    became Fascist. And it's actually happening.
     
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    :flagus: assassinates some Islamist commander all the time
    in Syria and Afghanistan.
    Sometimes with casualties of innocents.

    If the Russians "do it" they make it more individual
    rather than drones and rockets.

    Tell Moi, who is the kinder side.


    Moi :oldman:






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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    True.
    But your argument is sly, disingenuous and smacks of moral equivalency.
    There are differences between war zones and nations at peace. The USA
    didn't bomb London to take out Assange, for instance.
    Russia simply treats all nations as war zones and all its enemies as fair
    game, regardless of where they are. Simply put, the rule of law has more
    or less never really worked in Russia.
     
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    Neither in so called Israel!
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think "Israel" is the name of the Jewish state, and has been so
    since the Bronze Age. You might like to say "so called America"
    and you might be more accurate.
    With Israel it's super-tricky because the Arab states are at war
    with her. Syria has never signed any peace treaty with Israel
    and Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other groups are the same.
    Israel gets over a thousand rockets per year fired at it from Gaza,
    for instance. This makes the rocket engineers, radicals and leaders
    of these groups fair game, in Israel's eyes.
     
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    @Poohbear
    per #9 above.

    What War Zones?
    Does Chechnya and influences coming from there count as one?
    If not, then what qualifies?
    Pakistan to take out Bin Laden?


    I can't blame the Russians for doing what :flagus: does
    but the Russians do it with less innocent casualties.


    No slyness intended.

    Just the Goose and Gander Rule.
    What's Good For The Goose Is Good For The Gander. Remember?
    Stop :flagus: Exceptionalism as
    It's okay,
    Because :flagus: Is The Good Guys.
     
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    Well these days, countries seem to be willing to enforce their laws and their will outside their borders.
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your point is good and I respect it.
    But there are nuances involved here.
    If America wants to punish Julian Assange, for instance, it can appeal to the
    law of the UK. If Assange managed to get to Russia, like Snowden did, then
    America would not assassinate Assange in Russia. But if Assange escaped
    to some war zone, say Syria or Gaza, then there's the temptation to live by
    the rule of war rather than the rule of law.

    This should not have happened with this Chechen man.
     
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    BBC is Fake News.

    Let the arrogant Germans figure it out. They think they are the center of the universe so surely they can figure out who pulled a trigger.
     
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    Your point is good and I respect it.
    But there are nuances involved here.
    If America wants to punish Julian Assange, for instance, it can appeal to the
    law of the UK. If Assange managed to get to Russia, like Snowden did, then
    America would not assassinate Assange in Russia. But if Assange escaped
    to some war zone, say Syria or Gaza, then there's the temptation to live by
    the rule of war rather than the rule of law.
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, we already know who killed him.
    It's not just Germans who are arrogant.

    and no, I don't believe BBC is "fake news"
     
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    Your nuances are the problem of American Exceptionalism & Morality.

    Oh and what of Pakistan & Bin Laden killing?
    Was Pakistan a War Zone?



    If we found Bin Laden in Switzerland
    and knowing how duplicitous the Swiss can be
    when currency deposits are concerned . . . . etc.


    Nuances seem an "excuse" to violate the Goose & Gander Rule.
    Morality, righteousness is a level consideration, not an incline of nuances.


    Thus Spaketh
    Moi :oldman:





    No :flagcanada:

    While :flagus: has added jobs,
    :flagcanada: is at record unemployment.
    Support Freedom for :flagcanada:s
    Invade Tomorrow!
     
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    Who's 'we'? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

    Frankly the Russia Russia Russia bullshit is boring.
     
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    Like we care. Nobody was hurt. We talk about a chechen. We now save the money to house that scum. What you will see is some diplomatic boohoo and thats it.
     
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    HYPOCRISY runs deep

    The U.S. assassinated Osama bin Laden, Moammar Khadaffi, Saddam Hussein, Olaf Palme, John Kennedy, and did their damnedest to do the same to Fidel Castro, Bashar al-Assad , Hugo Chávez, Nicolás Maduro, Daniel Ortega, and many others. Yet the Americans make a lot of accusations about Vladimir Putin without any proof.
     
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    Is there really any "proof" that America killed Osama Bin Laden?
    I mean, the guy was hunted by the Americans, but maybe he's
    alive and flipping burgers in Hungry Jacks somewhere?

    Until someone shows me "proof" that Americans killed Osama
    Bin Laden we should keep an open mind - like you are doing with
    this Chechen guy.

    Another point - the Left make the USA into their demon. America
    is the great polluter, the racist state, the assassins of its enemies
    etc.. But when you show them figures for, say, China's pollution
    and Islamaphobia, Russia's assassinations, homophobia and foreign
    meddling etc.. they say that's fine. So the hate of America has nothing
    to do with pollution, racism, sexism, homophobia, assassinations etc
    at all. What would America have to do to be loved of the Left? Be poor.
    In other words - envy.
     
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    Truth is always boring. Google "Lenin 'useful idiot' "
     
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    In this case this is Germany and Russia.
    Imagine if German agents started killing Putin's goons?
     
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    Wait, wait, wait.... !!!!
    This is Russia killing people in Germany, or England, or
    Ukraine, or France, or Dubai, or Austria etc.................
     
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    As opposed to :flagus: carrying out a military operation
    in NOT A WAR ZONE, Pakistan. (Bin Laden raid).
    Is Syria a War Zone? Iraq?


    We have a basic disagreement.
    And the Goose and Gander Rule too.
    At least Russia doesn't take out innocent persons nearby.

    Someone uploaded a better itemization above.
    I need coffee.
     

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