Jim Jordan calls this a pre-determined impeachment, tensions near boiling point

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I never claimed that crackpot, hyper-partisan propagandists are not spreading fake news. Please reveal your source.

Meanwhile, the reality that no charges have ever been filed against either Biden by the Trump regime, Ukraine, China, or any other nation Trump might solicit to damage a political rival is obvious.

If you need to believe that the Trump Justice Department is hiding evidence against Biden, that is what you will believe.

 

Oh it all becomes clear now. You think because Biden hasn't been indicted or charged with a crime that he's totally in the clear? You know, plenty of people commit crimes and escape the justice system, and that's the same scenario playing out right now. Just because he hasn't been charged with a crime does not mean he's not dirty.

 

Trump had a right to investigate Biden, that is it. Why Biden?. Because Biden was in charge of assistance to Ukraine.
The presence of Hunter Biden on the Burisma board is a probable cause, that look suspicious to anyone, not only Trump.
There is absolutely no reason why Trump should be impeached.
If there is no reason for impeachment, Trump should not respond to any Democrat's demand.
Why Trump should cooperate with fake impeachment if he did no do anything wrong?

 

Under your criteria, you and all other individuals who have not been indicted or charged with crimes are liable to be committing them and escaping the justice system under Trumpery.

Of course, the incentive for Fake Don to contrive corruption against a political rival, and his power to direct the vast investigative and law enforcement resources to achieving that end, are far, far greater than for just anyone else.

The crackpot notion that either Biden engaged in corruption is as probable as it is for anyone else. And all, Bidens included, who have not been indicted or charged are presumed innocent under American jurisprudence until proven otherwise.

It may distress you to be confronted with truths that upset you, but Russia subverted the 2016 presidential election to help Fake Don, not Ukraine, climate change in not a Chines hoax, and prayer rugs and duct-taped women are not strewn everywhere along the southern border.

You can pleasure yourself with your nutty conspiracies, but must folks will opt for reality.

 

In reality, a president who illegally withholds funds allocated by Congress to a foreign nation, while seeking a favor from that nation - to smear a political rival by pressuring that nation to announce a criminal investigation directed at him - is illegal.

The fact that neither Biden has been shown to have engaged in any corrupt activity underscores the abuse of power.

Did Biden, as VP, follow US policy, in concert with the European Union, International Monetary Fund, and democratic reformers within Ukraine, that the corrupt Shokin be dismissed?

Indeed, he did.

It would have been scandalous if he had violated US policy and conspired to keep the corrupt prosecutor (who had let the investigation into Burisma lapse) in office.

RINOs of Trumpery will cling to their airy-fairy delusions, but Republican Senator Romney succinctly expressed the fairness and decency of Americans when he denounced as "wrong and appalling" Trump's pressure on foreign governments to investigate political rival Joe Biden,

 

So true.

AND...from the testimony, it appears as though Trump really did not care if the investigations happened or not. He just wanted the benefits of "
an announcement of investigation" to accrue.

Trump is scum. It is unfortunate for the Republic that so many people refuse to recognize that.

 

Fanatical Trumpers are so intellectually incapacitated by exposure to his spore that they are incapable of drawing the obvious conclusions from his desperate refusal to testify under oath, his need to gag his intimate minions to prevent their spilling the beans in their sworn testimony, and his fanatical concealment of all relevant documents that might provide greater clarity, while lashing out irrationally at dedicated public servants, and hysterically contriving absurd diversions.

Such is not the conduct of sterling individuals with truth on their side.

Rather that a furtive avoidance, an approximation of a vampire confronted by a crucifix, a confident Trump, far from sniveling, would eagerly submit to questioning with a self-effacing candor, encourage Bolton, Mulaney, McGah, Perry, Pompeo, Giuliani, Parnas, Fruman and others to generously share their privileged insights, and welcome Russia to hack into and expose all Trumpy correspondence regarding his caper.

 

I guess you missed the part where the HOUSE Republicans, (there still are more than a few, though that will NOT be the case after 2020) ALREADY had a "chance" to cross-examine all these witnesses and did little more than make themselves look worse than would a HS football squad unexpectedly called in to substitute for the debating team (which is, btw, where it seems most Republican Congresscritters come from as coaching staff, that and the boy's in-use shower maintenance...er....boy's wrestling teams administrators. )

 

Repeated for truth. The one question Trumper's have steadfastly REFUSED to answer, ( and so I am officially putting it to to them here once again) is this:

IF Trump is indeed innocent and this is all a "witch hunt" then WHY is he not bending over backwards to cooperate? WHY is not answering ever subpoena promptly and thoroughly and in fact VOLUNTEERING MORE information that he is being asked for ON HIS OWN? More facts can ONLY exonerate him if he TRULY blameless. Let's hear the ENTIRE side of this story from HIS viewpoint. That is what an INNOCENT man would do.

I await anxiously the Trump Supporters reply to this: (I hope one cannot be deafened by crickets)

 

Perhaps we'll take the House as well. They are the most obvious abusers.

 

Tomorrow we will see the IG report and the conspiracy to get FISA warrants to spy on the Trump candacy. Perhaps that will open the eyes of undecideds as to the fact this was a sham back to 2016!

 

In a world where clever lawyers can get you on a stand, trip you up even when telling the truth, that is not the least bit true. Especially in light he cannot have a defense. This has been the intent of these whole proceedings.
Peach foty fi!

 

Being hellbent on hiding the truth and lashing out at anyone who does not surrender to his claims of perfection are not intimations of innocence for rational people.

 

There is no answer and no crime. One might hear more than crickets if one stopped their anguished screaming.

 

But why (to belabor the metaphor even further) ARE there crickets? Why isn't Trump shouting his innocence from the rooftops? Congress has given him him the entire Capitol and hours aplenty of free television time to boot.

Last week I saw one Congressperson invite Trump to come before them himself and tell his side of the story. I remember thinking "Now he CAN"T refuse that." He did very shortly, of course

 

The answer? Well, let's take Pompeo for starters: He's the current Secretary of State. Imagine dragging Hillary Clinton down for what is essentially a Q&A about something we've yet to prove.(Though we at least have settled on calling it bribery/abuse of power.) Benghazi isn't comparable because that happened, and the need to know why it happened was transparent so that Americans don't die on overseas compounds that weren't authorized by Congress(not authorized by Congress...sounds familiar. AH, never mind.)

Point is, Pompeo has more important things to do than to entertain Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi. Same thing with Mulvaney. I'm sure he could provide documents that would either prove or disprove this mess. I'm also sure I'd want him in his current capacity running the OMB than 'testifying' to Pelosi and Schiff.

There's also the issue, as pointed out by Trump's lawyer that this impeachment was a formality(underscored by 'collegiate law professor testimony', ROFL.) That being the case, that'd mean any witnesses would have to testify twice.

Why bother testifying twice, as though there were two courts when in fact there's only one that counts(the Senate.)

Given this fact, the so-called "House Subponeas" were empty, and the Senate will first move to reject those. Then we'll get to the argument over the semantics over whether or not a bribery in Adam Schiff's mind was a bribery IRL.

Get your popcorn ready.(IE: All will testify in the Senate, where it really matters.)

 

There is no way Trump will allow the people in the know...to testify, because they will either have to perjure themselves or invoke the 5th Amendment.

Trump OBVIOUSLY attempted to extort Zelensky...and there are many who can give testimony which will help establish that.

 

So Trump has "better things to do" than to prove his innocence?

Like i guess the Wall is hitting a snag, maybe the Mexicans aren't paying on time

And he needs to shave another stoke off his game before Spring. (or just erase it off the card, as he normally does)

One things's for sure, an increasingly fed up public will be most interested in the spectacle what used to be one of the most august parliaments on Earth reduced to a bunch of lying toadies for the hugest and most Republican POS that has yet been in the Oval Office as he forever disgraces the name of the former GOP. I think they will remember in 2020 too.

 

Why should Trump 'prove his innocence' of something that Adam Schiff THINKS? That other people, THINK? To this day, we don't have physical evidence and now people are complaining that these people(Pompeo, Mulveney among others) have the physical evidence they're lacking lol.

As I said, it's likely they'll testify in the Senate and if we still have a lack of evidence I hope you have SOME level of criticism towards the speaker of the House.

 

If they don't remember...there is something wrong with them.

Trump is soiling the Republican brand...just as surely as he is doing grave damage to our Republic.

I can understand why the Republican congress people show no spine on this issue...but I cannot understand why the base support holds. Trump is disgusting both as a president and as a human being.

 

Because it's no story. Democrats are crying because he isn't helping them with their mean spirited roast?

 

Trump is ducking testifying or allowing his minions to testify...because he knows there are people who have the goods on him who will not be willing to put their reputations and freedom on the line for a guy who would throw almost anyone under the bus on a whim.

 

More or less. It seems you can't create a fabricated case out of your mind after all, it also seems you can't compel the people to act based on your own ideas if they lack traction .

The reality staring them in the face is a Democratic Minority in 2020 with Trump STILL President.

 

Besides the clear testimony of several witnesses what kind of "physical evidence" do want anyway?. A video tape? You would, of course, say that was doctored. And, of course, ALL the witnesses are lying through their teeth, and this DESPITE the fact that they are risking long and lucrative careers by doing so, (and these careers have been largely based on their sterling reputations for veracity.

The only crit I have of Pelosi is she didn't do this a lot sooner

 

The reality you will see in 2020 is the end of the Republican franchise.