Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky 'I Don’t Trust Anyone at All.'

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  1. gnoib

    gnoib Well-Known Member

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    No, the transcript and what M said.
    Get used to it
     
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    You mean your assumption. A quid needs a quo. A good example is Bidens threat to withhold a billion in funds unless Ukraine did his bidding. Nothing like that on the call.
     
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    Nope a black mail attempt is a black mail attempt, like attempt robbery.
    Its not about theft, but attempt theft, still a crime.
    What Biden did was official US policy and not having a foreign government getting involved in US election, which is a crime.
    There is a very broad difference. Black mailing for your own advantage, or having the US government with a policy, official, to get a foreign government to do something.

    But let me guess, you will not understand the difference.
    Am I right ?
     
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    LOL, so an assumption is all you need, not facts.
     
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    Its not a assumption, Trump asked the guy to produce dirt on Biden, who is a contender for President.
    That is a fact.
    The protocols.
    That is illegal, foreign government involvement in US election and asking for it.

    Biden never did anything like that. He just told the Ukraine to clean up its act.

    As I expect you did not get it.
     
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    So talking about something that is public knowledge is impeachable? Do you know what a quid pro quo is? Apparently not.
     
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    No.
    Trying to get a foreign government involved into US election, especially to your advantage, as a sitting President, is a impeachable offence.
     
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    Well, thats the dem clown show narrative with zero proof.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are very few neo Nazis in the US. Racism existed, but not supremacism towards other ethnicities. It's not part of our culture - we are very mixed people. There are red necks though, and they have good cause to be angry considering the attacks on our freedoms by liberals. I believe they also have militias and it's probably the only thing that is keeping the liberals from having a coup and taking over our government.

    The woman you're referring to that was killed, was a very rare case and the liberal MSM deliberately blew it out of proportion. This happened in a country where tens of murders occur every night in cities like Chicago, Philadelphia and St. Louis and are not even mentioned, and where conservative speakers are beaten and harassed by liberals in top universities like Berkeley.

    As for Ukraine, the country is split. They are two totally different cultures, one half was under Poland and the Austrian/Hungarian Empire, and the other half was always a part of Russia. They shouldn't be one country. How can a country survive when the Western leaning one hates the other half? It's not that the Russian part didn't try, after all they supported Gallicia and the poorer Western half. But like Eastern Germany instead of being grateful to Western Germany, they resented the Russians instead.

    When Putin suggested to Kiev that the country should federate into different parts, so that the West can trade with Europe and the Eastern part can continue their trade deals with Russia, Poroshenko said he does not deal with Russians. So Poroshenko continued his war policy, and used the conscripts from the Russian and Hungarian areas as cannon fodder.

    They were given only 2 weeks training, and most of the 3 thousand that died in the Dabaltsevo fiasco died from friendly fire. They didn't know how to use the equipment. Kiev told the officers to leave when they realized they were trapped in a cauldron, but not to tell the men so they wouldn't surrender.

    Here's a video that will give you an idea of what really went on in Ukraine and what is still going on. It's the anniversary of the Trade Union fire in Odessa. The Nazis are marching to commemorate the day they burned and hacked 30 protesters officially, but unofficially over 200 are missing. Then again Western Ukraine commemorates Bandera as the father of their country, when members of his organization were picking up Polish children and bashing their heads against the walls.

     
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    The difference between Biden and Trump is that Biden said he did it on a video, while the Democrats are accusing Trump with no proof.

    But look, if the MSM tells you that Trump is guilty then it must be so.




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    He is, because we said he is!
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    In what dream world do you live, the US has the largest and most active, even international active, NAZI organization in the world.
    Violent and in terrorism involved.
     
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    Somehow Russian trolls forget that Russia and the US have much larger Nazi/White supremacy movements than Ukraine.
    And showing pictures from those people marching on the streets - in a civilized country nobody is going to arrest a Nazi or a white supremacist for expressing their views peacefully. Not in the US and not in Ukraine.
    No matter how misguided their views are, it’s their right to have them and express themselves in public about it. Once your start arresting people for their views, it becomes a matter of time before some overly optimistic politician comes to power and starts jailing his opponents for their views as well.
     
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    And how actively Russia is involved in the Neo NAZI movements all over the world.
    Atomwaffen Division was founded in the US and is now a international active terrorist group.
     
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    In the US the Nazis are called 'skinheads'. The population of skinheads mentioned in these articles are not more than 3,000. So even if it had increased by one or two thousand in the last few years, it would still be a very small proportion in a country with a population of 330 million people.

    The Anti-Defamation League, which has issued a series of detailed studies of the skinhead movement in the U.S., stated that in 2009 there were about 3,000 activist skinheads in thirty-one states, most of them concentrated in the West and, to a lesser extent, in the South. In contrast to Britain and Western Europe, in America the skinheads are a suburban and small-town prodigy.

    https://www.123helpme.com/view.asp?id=124446

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_power_skinhead

    Maybe you're thinking of the Antifa movement which is a (liberal) left wing group. They harass, destroy property and commit physical violence on people they consider fascist, racist or on the Far right.

    The antifa movement is composed of left-wing, autonomous, militant anti-fascist groups and individuals in the United States. The principal feature of antifa groups is their use of direct action, with conflicts occurring both online and in real life. They engage in varied protest tactics, which include digital activism, property damage, physical violence, and harassment against those whom they identify as fascist, racist, or on the far-right.

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=antif...c3&cc=US&setlang=en-US&DAF1=1&plvar=0&PC=ASTS

     
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    According to Wikipedia Atomwaffen Division has about 60 to 80 members in the US. Also why do you mention Russia? What does Russia have to do with a Nazi group when they're vehemently anti fascist.
     
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    The Nazi movement in Ukraine is large in Gallicia which was once part of Poland and then Austria Hungary, but not in the predominantly Russian East and South - who have been the object of their hatred. The hatred they have towards Russia, is probably from 19th century Austria and their supremacist attitude towards the Slavs. There were also politics involved since Austria feared Russia's power.

    The problem is that we gave the Nazis in Ukraine power, even though they are a minority, and support them so they can be used against Russia.
     
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    Name Nazis in Ukrainian government. Give us the list.
     
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    Skin heads are just a very small group within the Neo NAZI movement in the US.
    Russia needs to be mentioned because it strongly supports those movements.

    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/neo-nazi
     
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    The only name this article flashes is Parubiy who was the speaker of parliament. Svoboda and Patriots of Ukraine are not nazi parties. Ukrainians have the right to have their own nationalists and just because these people advocate use of Ukrainian language and restriction of dealings with Russia doesn’t mean they are Nazis. By the same token, everyone who is against Latino immigration in the US are Nazis as well.
    Besides, the claim was that “we” as in Americans, “sponsor and fund” Nazis in Ukraine.
    Parubiy wasn’t even the president. Where are those Nazis? Bringing up one battalion Azov is not sufficient to prove the claim that Nazis are running Ukraine, besides Azov was disbanded.

    Claim that Ukraine is being run by Nazis is nothing but regurgitated Russian propaganda. They made same claims in the 90s about Baltic’s nations and Poland. Everyone who doesn’t want to be Russian underdog is a Nazi to a Russian. It’s impossible for them to realize that perfectly normal and rational people might chose to realign themselves towards the west without being Nazis. Especially after the good old neighbor and friend occupied a piece of your country and started a war that resulted in 10s of thousands of dead.

    The claim about Nazis in Ukrainian government is even funnier if you were to realize that former Ukrainian prime ministers (Yatseniuk and Groysman) and current Ukrainian President Zelensky are all Ukrainian Jews. So, yeah, people with low IQ regurgitate claims that a country that has Jewish people in very high positions of power is being ran by Nazis.
     
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    The last two drops go down your pants.

    -- Anonymous graffito above a urinal.
     
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    You got nothing.
     
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    Thank you! I didn't know if it was Ukrainian or Russian, so I tried both.
     
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    Why would the Russians support movements that hate Russians and are killing them in the Donbas? There's no logic to what you are saying. Actually Obama and the EU put the nationalists in power in Ukraine because they knew they hated Russia and the Russians living in the East and South of Ukraine.

    As for your link the SPLC, they are a George Soros supported ultra liberal group, and there was no mention of Russia. All the organizations he supports whether in the US or in other countries, is to bring about his new globalist world order through chaos and wars. This is why his NGO's have been kicked out of most countries. Like the Bolshevik revolution, Soros and the other ideologues believe that the end justifies the means. So to them, it doesn't matter how many will die in the process.
     
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