Jim Jordan calls this a pre-determined impeachment, tensions near boiling point

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    There's been no firm republican brand for about four years, five months. Republicans must analyze recent and future current events and reinvent their brand. One thing is for certain, the old-time, stale ideologues of National Review are no longer players of any import or significance.

    When the new, revised brand is rolled out the people will analyze that republican brand and accept them or reject them.

    What the republicans come up with probably better be practical results-driven, and a practical good in the lives of everyday-average working class, tax-paying citizens.

    Old fashioned political philosophy tangents of ideology should be avoided for the pragmatism of good results for people's bank accounts and paychecks.
     
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    Their careers weren't based on some sterling reputation for veracity, but on the conformity of American government! What we're seeing(if our eyes are open) is the truth of pay-to-play in American government. Kickbacks made congresspersons who are supposed to earn thousands, bringing in millions for themselves!

    It could be a letter, it could be a video tape. It could be a document showing. It could be ANYTHING besides their statements, which they admit are their "opinions", "assessments" and "2+2=4". These are all WEAK circumstantial evidences(at best), which are nonconvincing in the slightest.

    The fact that you have to bring up their reputation is proof of that fact. As we stand now, the Senate will move to acquit overwhelmingly. And the people will back that decision. And it'll reflect in the 2020 elections(presuming there aren't any more farces from now and then. A huge presumption to make.)
     
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    Anybody would be convicted based upon the evidence at hand. Do you understand what drawing a reasonable inference means? And that only applies to the indirect evidence.

    Why is scofflaw Bonespurs illegally withholding evidence and witnesses if he's so ****ing "innocent" and would be exonerated if they offered testimony? Why is he outright obstructing the inquiry?

    On that basis alone, he should be removed from office. If you add the damning facts from the Mueller report, it should be a slam dunk if the GOP wasn't full of sniveling cowards more worried about re-election than the country, our traditions, our Constitution and the rule of law. It's putrid and revolting, and history will not be kind to the GOP.
     
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    And while I'm at it, **** Jim "Molest My Wrestlers Please" Jordan and Devin "Cab Ride To Treason" Nunes. ****ing traitors.
     
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    Take a good look at this post. The ravings of a very delusional democrat.

    2nd Thessalonians Chapter 2:
    The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God will send them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    Starting to connect the dots?
     
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    The Mueller report is its own separate case, with its own separate flaws(as even the prosecutors who signed that protest attested to, that there would be varying defenses if it were tried.) The most disparging thing about the Mueller report was the cowardice of their actions, along with the gutlessness of "if we could acquit him, we'd so say."

    Well, obviously you didn't because you didn't say. There's nothing reputable about that report in the world of law, but as a smear job it did its job.
     
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    PS. I said this to Alexander, but it bares repeating: Maybe the reason they're not testifying is that they're the head of various government agencies with better things to do than to play with Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi.

    It's not the accused's job to provide evidence for the accuser, that's THEIR job. It's THEIR job to make the case, not bemoan the fact that you don't have one.

    Democrats for four years have been yearning to impeach Trump, with not a single legislative victory. Voters won't be kind to the Democrats when they ask "What have you done for me lately?"
     
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    Oh, I see. They have better things to do than to comply with the ****ing law. Good point.
     
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    This House inquiry isn't shrouded with federal law. And in the first place, I'd strip the subponea power out altogether, given Pelosi's abuses. It can be abused by future houses, and that's untenable.
     
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    You must be reading a different Mueller report because this one stands in direct contradiction to your supposition.

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    Do you still not realize that its not about "complying with the ****ling law, it's about these people have better things to do than waste their time getting interviewed by corrupt democrats who hate the nation. Do you still not understand this is not an impeachment its a coup? And we have evidence to prove that. No sane republican in their right mind would give their enemy the time of day.

    Democrats have been hellbent on removing Trump from office (and you will get your wish, sooner rather than later) for the past three years. They have made absolutely NO ATTEMPT to work with the Trump administration on getting things done for the American people. The logic is pretty simple. The left wants to destroy America, that's why they are totally ignoring the cries from her people.

    Meanwhile, Trump is doing a great job, working FOR THE PEOPLE. A CONCEPT THE DEMOCRATS HAVE NEVER UNDERSTOOD MUCH LESS EMBRACED.

    Under President Trump’s leadership, Congress passed historic tax cuts and relief for hard-working Americans. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act:

    • Is the first major tax reform signed in 30 years.

    • Provided tax relief for 82% of middle-class families.

    • Doubled the Child Tax Credit proving an additional $1,000 per child in tax relief for working parents.

    • Nearly doubled the standard deduction, a change that simplified the tax filing process for millions of Americans.

    • Cut taxes for small business by 20%, providing $415 billion in tax relief for small business owners.

    • Alleviated the tax burden on over 500 companies. who used those savings to fund bonuses, wage increases for 4.8 million workers.

    • Spurred new investments into the American economy, after it was passed businesses invested $482 billion into new American projects.

    • Repealed Obamacare’s burdensome individual mandate.

    • Made U.S. companies competitive on the world stage, lowering the corporate tax rate from one of the highest in the industrialized world (35%) to 21%.
    U.S. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth has soared under President Trump, topping 3% in 4 quarters under his administration.

    • 2018 annual GDP growth was 2.9%

    • In the first quarter of 2019 GDP growth was 3.1%
    President Trump is unleashing economic growth and jobs. Since his election, the Trump administration’s pro-growth policies have generated 6 million new jobs, the unemployment rate has fallen to its lowest point in 50 years, and wages have grown at more than 3% for 10 months in a row.

    • The manufacturing industry created nearly half a million new jobs.

    • 625,000 new construction jobs have been created since President Trump took office.

    • Hispanic, Asian and African American unemployment rates have all reached record lows under President Trump.

    • There are more than a million more job openings than unemployed persons in the U.S.
    President Trump signed an executive order that expanded federally funded apprenticeship programs and on-the-job training, to provide an alternative for those looking to gain in demand skills that lack the resources to attend four year universities.

    • The executive order set in motion a new process that makes it easier for businesses to create and scale apprenticeship programs, providing many more Americans access to an affordable education that leads to a well-paying job.

    • The Workforce Development Advisory Council established by President Trump’s executive order has already created on-the-job training opportunities for 6.5 million Americans.
    The Trump administration prioritized the economic empowerment of women at home and across the globe.

    • The Trump Administration launched the Women’s Global Development and Prosperity (W-GDP) Initiative, the first-ever whole-of-government approach focused on advancing women’s full and free participation in the global economy and allocated $50 million for the fund.
     
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    I particularly like that portion you quoted above where the Counsel admits that Trump committed no offense, and yet they wanted to go with the Obstruction Angle. If this had reached a courtroom, there'd have been plenty of disappointed Democrats.
     
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    Of course I did. I pointed out it was authoritarian bedwetter historical revisionism, very similar to holocaust revisionism. That left you butthurt.

    You need to understand that absurdities like "WAAA! NAZIS ARE LIBERALS!" only plays well in fascist safespaces. This isn't a fascist safespace, therefore it gets laughed at hard.
     
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    Butthurt is what you would call a liberal after the 2016 election...

    You are brilliant, absolutely brilliant! So, are you going to offer any facts when you post or just insults? LOL You are the epitome of stupidity and delusion all rolled into one.

    So that begs the question, do you have a natural affinity for Hitler? Come on, dont be shy, we will have a coming out party for you!

    Butthurt is what you would call mamooth after reading this post (It must of gotten lost in the shuffle of your alt left propaganda fairy tale world because you didnt respond to it)

    LOL it's fun to debate with liberal revisionists because we get to expose them for the frauds that they are. As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer.

    In a speech in November 1933 (translated in George Seldes's 1935 Sawdust Caesar, p. 426), Mussolini said, “Corporationism is above socialism and above liberalism. A new synthesis is created. It is a symptomatic fact that the decadence of capitalism coincides with the decadence of socialism. ... Corporative solutions can be applied anywhere.
    ― Benito Mussolini

    The Fascist State directs and controls the entrepreneurs, whether it be in our fisheries or in our heavy industry in the Val d'Aosta. There the State actually owns the mines and carries on transport, for the railways are state property. So are many of the factories… We term it state intervention… If anything fails to work properly, the State intervenes. The capitalists will go on doing what they are told, down to the very end. They have no option and cannot put up any fight. Capital is not God; it is only a means to an end.
    • As quoted in Talks with Mussolini, Emil Ludwig, Boston, MA, Little, Brown and Company (1933), pp. 153-154, Interview took place between March 23 and April 4, 1932
    • Yet the Fascist State is unique, and an original creation. It is not reactionary, but revolutionary, in that it anticipates the solution of the universal political problems which elsewhere have to be settled in the political field by the rivalry of parties, the excessive power of the Parliamentary regime and the irresponsibility of political assemblies.
      • As quoted in “The Political and Social Doctrine of Fascism”, Jane Soames translator, Hogarth Press, London, authorized edition (1933) p. 23
    The term "revolutionary" in political science is typically associated with left wing ideology and the desire to change society for the greater good, i.e. a rebellion from conservative ideological norms and culture in exchange for new ideas

    The term "reactionary" in political science describes points of view and policies meant to restore a past status quo. Typically associated with right wing, conservative political movements.

    Generally speaking, you have everything a** backwards.

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    Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., world famous historian, did not connect fascism with right wing ideology

    However, Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr. saw little conservative influence within fascist ideology or its movement, writing: "Fascists were not conservative in any very meaningful sense… The Fascists, in a meaningful sense, were revolutionaries".[222] In his 1933 English-translated "Political and Social Doctrine of Fascism", Mussolini argued that the Fascist state is an "original creation", maintaining that Fascism "is not reactionary, but revolutionary".[223] Fascists of Italy and Germany opposed the traditional constituents of conservatism, which included the monarchy, the Church and Jewish-financed capitalism, alongside "disdain for bourgeois values",[70] while upholding the Volksgemeinschaft concept of self-sacrifice that was to bring about "social equality".[224] After 1930, the "nationalist-conservative Right" turned hostile to the Nazis, portraying Hitler as a "wild and vulgar demagogue, not a statesman, an obstacle to political recovery, the head of an extremist movement with menacing socialistic tendencies".[225] Hitler enshrined his collectivist ethos under the slogan of the "common good before the individual good", which was stamped on Nazi Germany's coinage

    Source:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism_and_ideology

    Might want to look up Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.
    He was one of the most respected historians of his day. Mr. Schlesinger was certainly no uneducated and delusional keyboard warrior, he is the real deal, nothing but substance, a political genius. Educated at Harvard.

    And I just wanted to make sure you know the quote for the first meme is word for word straight from Mussolini, verbatim.

    "For this I have been and am a socialist. The accusation of inconsistency has no foundation. My conduct has always been straight in the sense of looking at the substance of things and not to the form. I adapted socialisticamente to reality."

    -----Benito Mussolini
     
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    So, thanks for confirming that trumpers have no ability to discern the vast differences between "did not find" and "found they did not".

    *LOL*

    You should read the rest of Volume I where Mueller lays out the 140 contacts between the Bonespurs campaign and the Russians, his finding that the Russians wanting the Orange Moron to win, and helped him, and that the Orange Moron knowingly accepted and amplified their help.

    You must've also forgotten (ie didn't read at all) the portion where Mueller outlined that Bonespurs' butt-buddies lied, destroyed evidence, didn't cooperate, hid encrypted evidence, etc., and that a more thorough FBI invertigation would likely have uncovered additional evidence.
     
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    Thank you.

    Each of your tantrums gets longer and more hysterical than the last. I only have to type a couple words to keep you busy for hours.

    You just need more bold fonts and dumb graphics, because that turns historical revisionism into truth. Remember, words mean whatever you want them to mean. You just have to BELIEVE.
     
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    Do you fellas get together on weekends in your camo?
     
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    You better be careful because 70% of Americans already think Trump was up to no good. Gaslighting could be fatal for Trump if he keeps saying, "I did nothing wrong."
    The House may not hand the Impeachment over to the Senate for trial if there's no agreement on trial procedures.
     
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    Goodness me.......

    https://www.promiseskept.com/achievement/overview/economy-and-jobs/
     
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    We'll see what people say after the trial.
    Meaning what?
     
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    Yeah, sure.

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    Republicans have been losing elections lately. What will you do if Trump loses?
     
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    Not unbelievable if they only listen to Open Mouth AM radio and only watch Fox News.
     
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    Propaganda Alert!
     
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    They're going to impeach him for soliciting foreign help in the 2020 election.
     

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