Has anyone turned against Trump yet?

I find your posts so informative and inspiring I have decided to save them in a special place. They will be held in perpetuity under my "ignore" button.

 

A totally partisan impeachment is horrible for the morale of an already-divided country. Even Democrats who are in favor of impeachment/removal are willing to tell pollsters that the process is politically motivated.

It was appropriate for Trump to ask the Ukraine to reopen corruption investigations which were closed during the Obama administration and look into oligarchs before releasing the funds which had been appropriated. It was not appropriate for Trump to specifically name Joe or Hunter Biden, Ambassador Yovanovich or anyone else by name. That was an unforced error, if you will. Illegal? No. It might have been illegal if the funds had been held back until after the payment deadline. Regardless, neither Trump nor Hillary needed Russia's interference to win or lose an American election. Ukraine "interference"....much less so. To think that Trump needs an investigation into the Bidens to compete with Joe Biden in 2020 is grasping at straws. If anything, the Democrat leadership's focus on Ukraine corruption for impeachment charges has done as much damage to Biden as it has to Trump....so now Democrat leaders have made it a centerpiece for the next 11 months. Unforced error...on their part.

From watching the actual testimonies on C-SPAN (versus the news spin), the "quid-pro-quo" water cooler talk amongst career diplomats had to do with Trump wanting Zelensky to make a public statement that he was reopening corruption investigations in exchange for an invitation to meet with Trump at the White House. The roughly $400 million in funds in exchange for investigation into specific people was never part of the deal which concerned the ambassadors. The funds were released without any sort of exchange given by Zelensky, and they were released three weeks before the deadline.

Has the impeachment drama changed my mind? No. I'll be voting on real issues like border security, handling of the economy, health care solutions and other policy distinctions. I think most voters will do the same. BTW, I also don't think that whatever comes of the Horowitz report tomorrow will change minds either. Most Americans have "endless investigation fatigue" from all the partisan finger-pointing coming out of DC.

 

No, it isn't. The process doesn't leave congress.

 

I wish that life had an ignore button. Oh, yeh, it does; it's off button on the TV.

 

The plumbers were real even though insignificant. The Watergate break-in was real even though insignificant. It was the coverup that carried the day. It was non-ideological and easily understood. A simple mea culpa early and it would have gone away.

I think that would have been the case for Bill Clinton, also. One of the problems for Clinton was that linguists and translators couldn't understand what he was saying.

 

Nixon didn't have to authorize the Watergate break-in and cover it up but he did. He was a shoe in for reelection. Nixon had one serious personality flaw, he was paranoid - the world was out to get him.

Trump has more personality flaws than a shattered lightbulb. paranoia is but one of them that go with narcissism. Trump will be impeached and a lot of people are headed for jail. The cover up has gone nuclear. It's always the cover up that brings down the mighty. Let's get a few things straight:

1. Trump tried to shake down the Ukrainian president for an investigation of Biden and announcement of same on CNN.
2. Trump blocked Congressional subpoenas and thereby became guilty of contempt of Congress and Obstruction of Justice.
3. Trump blocked potential witnesses from testifying and thereby became guilty of Witness Intimidation and Witness Tampering.
4. Trump has attempted to learn the identity of the whistleblower and violated whistleblower laws. Witness Intimidation.
5. Trump attempted to stop Congress approved $400 million loan guaranties in exchange for favors. Abuse of Power, Bribery.

 

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The DP is the party of walking dead politicians devouring each other. Ordinary Democrats are tired of watching.

"The new Emerson poll puts Trump at 35 percent with black voters and 38 percent with Hispanics. “If you add in Asian voters at 28 percent approval,” notes Emerson’s director of polling Spencer Kimball, “our number is very close to the new Marist poll,” which finds Trump’s approval at 33 percent among non-white voters. A recent RasmussenReports poll has Trump support among black voters at 34 percent, and even the new CNN poll has Trump’s approval among non-white voters at 26 percent.

Why is losing black voters by a two-to-one margin something to shout about? Because if Donald Trump came anywhere close to those numbers on Election Day, he’d likely win a 50-state sweep. Minority voters — and black voters in particular — are an absolutely vital part of the Democratic base. And they don’t vote for Republicans, particularly for president."
NEWSDAY, New polls show black support for Trump surging, By Michael Graham, 12/3/19.
https://www.newsday.com/opinion/commentary/black-voters-donald-trump-support-1.39184208

It's game over for the DP. Time for Democrats to find or create a new party that does not make them want to vomit.

 

Sounds like Obama but what Obama did was far worse. Good thing he is protected, like Hillary.

 

How could you possibly not add that "the Russians" got him elected by forcing every deplorable to vote Trump or else? All this is their fault. We should bomb them immediately to prevent a 2020 Trump win.

 

For what?

 

Fake News.

 

Vote DP for hate and war.

 

Being on ignore is GREAT! It's like having someone sitting in a room full of people while blindfolded and their hearing isolated, while all the people talk trash and make rude hand gestures at them! ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯

 

Well you were spot on until the last FIVE mistakes, but other then that you were right on par!

 

How correct you are.

 

Are you kidding me??

Tax fraud for starters. Why do you think he is no longer calling New York home?? He now calls Florida home to delay the process Once he becomes an ordinary citizen again his taxes are made public and the outcry of honest tax paying citizens will be deafening

why should other Americans pay taxes and trump gets to cheat and suffer no backlash or consequences??

Don’t forget trumps closest and staunchest supporters have been convicted with the lunatic roger stone being the latest

the only thing that has protected trump is the office itself

once he is out of office the GOP will drop trump faster than a dog chasing a rabbit

 

Which one of the 17 said Trump broke the law and committed a impeachable offense?
1. It was actually Joe Biden who used his office to get ta foreign government to fire a prosecutor before he would release aid to their country.
2. It was actually the DNC and HC that put out money to dig up dirt on a political opponent (Trump)
3. The President of the Ukraine says he was not asked to make any such statement and no statement like that was ever made. Where is your proof? The President has the right to withhold aid anyways. The aid was authorized to be sent by Sept. 30 but was released by Sept. 11.
4. The President has the right to hire and fire Ambassadors as he wishes. The President makes foreign policy not ambassadors. They advice but he makes the final decisions.
5. He feels he has nothing to defend because he did nothing wrong. In Russia you are guilty until proven innocent. In America, I still hope, you are innocent until proven guilty. It's impossible to prove your innocents if no crime has been committed.
6. I'll be wearing my MAGA hat the whole time that this kangaroo court is in session and would hope that others would also wear their hats and clothing to support the President.
7. The Democrats have been laying the ground work for impeachment from the time it was announced he won the election. They say to us "Trust Us we are the Government". Trump says "Trust Me I can't be bought by this government".
4.

 

Okay, so you have Trump's tax documents to back up your claim? No man is guilty of anything just because of who he associates with. You can't make accusations without proof. Again, for what, so far you got nothing.

 

The witnesses were not lawyers or politicians

it was not their job to decide what is impeachable and what is against the law

remember the old tv show. Dragnet??

just the facts.

as one witness said.

everyone was in the loop And what witness said that

the one that gave a million bucks to trump inauguration party

 

Are you really claiming that there is an actual majority that Trump is to be speculative and worried about ???

 

Why was 2% bad under Obama but 1.9% is amazing under trump?
I can agree the economy seems much more consistent (less ups and downs) but I don’t understand the narrative that the economy is doing so great....


Especially when you look at the state of manufacturing (four periods of recession), the state of agriculture (25BN bailout), three fed rate reductions, ballooning deficits and debt...


If we were paying down our debt with the same economic figures I would agree — but we are completely and totally ignoring it.
Which is terrifying

 

…. and the FACTS are? Did President hire any Russian or foreign power to get dirt on his political opponent or use the RNC to fund a dossier on his political opponent? Did the Trump team approach the FISA courts to obtain warrants to spy on his political opponent's with corrupt dossier material.? Did the President hide 30,000 e-mails and take a hammer and destroy his phones? Has Trump mysteriously obstructed justice by having them die in strange ways? Has Trump allowed the sale of guns to Drug Cartel members? Has Trump enriched himself or his sons and daughters by getting them jobs with foreign powers? The difference between facts and assume are Facts - Known undisputable evidence. ASSUME = Speculation that makes a ASS -U- ME.

 

give it up
The defenses of trump become more lame everyday

psst. Hillary has been investigated by the GOP for many years no doubt Hillary is dirty

Hillary is gone But Hillary being dirty does not make trump clean

yes trump tried to hire/entice a foriegn power namely “Ukraine”

face the facts. Trump is just another liar cheater and self obsessed lunatic currently holding office

there are liars and cheats on both sides

when the Democrats are in power then the GOP will accuse whoever is in office to similar actions

sadly, hate of Democrats allows trump to skate.
And yes.
Trump thumbing his nose at the political process is a crime in itself because when he ran for president he invited these investigations. .. Just like other politicians on both sides

and really?? trumps kids have not benefitted from daddy being in politics ?? Don’t tell the offspring that has had maybe half a dozen patents approved in China

 

In some ways- I agree. The idea that a nation can continuously outspend it's income when that would result in disaster for an individual or corporation is not logical. Too many citizens are too willing to let politicians worry about it- and pass the bills for todays excesses to our great-grandchildren and the future.

Some of the things such as the ag issue result from the effort to improve the imbalance in trade, which would be good, and that condition should be temporary. But overall any entity that refuses to live within it's means is making a big mistake in my opinion. It isn't specific to this administration of course, it's been the nature of our politics for many decades. We can postpone consequences of loose fiscal policy, but I don't think we can avoid them.

 

That is all irrelevant

And hiring someone is very very different from a mob style shakedown