572,000 in 1999-2016

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  1. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    I mean that many Americans do not view 572,000 gun deaths in 17 years as a tragedy. It is a tragedy and a democide.
     
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    How do you define 'gun death'? Is this another one of those disingenuous attempts to lump suicides with violent gun deaths? Such blatant dishonesty is rather despicable and tends to erode the credibility of anyone who posts such tripe...
     
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    Most of people who commit suicide suffer Severe Depression.

    American Society fails tens of thousands of people who would have lived if they had care similar to the one provided in Canada and Scandinavia. In USA, people who do not get help they need are dying by tens of thousands.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What's that have to do with guns? So you were being disingenuous by adding suicides? I get it, that's the new norm by gun grabbers. If someone actually looks at the violent use of firearms in America they will notice that the results tend to be very localized and effect very specific demographics. Liberals have no interest in tackling that, so they juice the numbers by lying and adding suicides to the mix. Its a sad attempt to push an unconstitutional agenda...
     
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    Why should gun suicides be ignored? All lives matter.
     
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    Suicide is suicide, not a form of violence. Is it gravity violence if you jump off a bridge? If the answer to that is no, then you begin to comprehend how normal people feel if you try to add suicide to 'gun violence'...
     
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    Why should they not be ignored.

    They do not.
     
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    It's not that gun suicides do not matter, it's simply that suicides via a firearm are dishonestly added as "gun violence" to pad statistics used to eviscerate the 2nd Amendment.

    I worked on an Emergency Psychiatric Unit for a large inner city for about 10 years and helped treat numerous suicide prone patients over that period of time.

    The most important thing I learned is humility. It is impossible to predict who may commit suicide since some of the most determined suicide victims would pretend to be very cheerful, claim to have a support system and a good job lined up for the future etc. leaving no indication that they have already determined to take their own lives.

    Another important thing I learned is that anyone who is determined to commit suicide will find a way to do so either with or without a firearm.
    I believe it is noteworthy that there are 33 countries in the world(1) with far stricter gun laws which have higher suicide rates than the US. Therefore, if firearm availability were a factor in suicide prevention, the US would rank as # 1 in suicide rates.

    Briefly put, I believe it is neither honest nor constructive to believe that additional infringements on the 2nd Amendment would deter people who are determined to end their lives.


    (1) "List of countries by suicide rate"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
     
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    All Humans have paramount value.
     
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    If all humans have paramount value, why would you support further infringements on the 2nd Amendment that make it more difficult for law abiding citizens to protect themselves from violent predators?
     
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    For each justifiable homicide, there are 30 criminal homicides and 50 suicides.
     
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    The obvious question of "so what?" must be asked with regard to the above. What ultimate, meaningful difference does such actually make? Do such acts justify further victimization of the public, for actions that are not their own?
     
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    I just believe that American Society which allows 572,000 gun deaths in 1999-2016 is very inhumane. Such a death count is a tragedy and democide.
     
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    Making people safer is the opposite of victimization.
     
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    yep, look at all those suicides during the obama years, a steady annual increase... he did bamboozle millions, so bound to have a few hundred thousand kill themselves
     
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    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    I disagree with Left and Right on different issues. As a proud Aspie, I am a Society and a World within myself.
     
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    i don't coddle, not even to disabilities, the syndrome may well be your bubble however wrong it may be...

    that said, maybe you could get all the aspergers together and start a campaign against automobiles... they've destroyed more lives than guns ever will...

    good luck
     
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    Cars serve a useful purpose in today's world. Guns not so much.
     
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    contrare... today's world demands one has the means to protect themselves & their loved ones... far more so than at any other time in human history...
     
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    Irrelevant, as a successful defense use of a gun does not necessarily result in the trigger being pulled, much less a death.

    The RELEVANT numbers:
    For each homicide there are > 10 defensive uses of a gun.
    For each suicide, there are >4 defensive uses of a gun.
     
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    That's a very very small percentage of the population.
    Thanks for putting it into perspective!
     
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    All firearms deaths make up less than 1.4% of all deaths,
     
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    I find these numbers too high to be true.
     
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    that and a 71% increase in legal, yes legal, intervention...

    gun owners are responsible and are utilizing their right to protect themselves...

    anti-gunners rarely read through their own links... it doesn't bode well for their narrative...
     
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    The vast majority of deaths are of natural causes.

    A very high proportion of preventable deaths are by guns.
     

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