What, exactly, is socialism? Again this discussion seems necessary.

Cool ad hominem, bro.

So under your proposed system, no person would violate my right to freely use the land that nature provided? It's starting to sound kind of appealing. How would this fantasy of yours work, exactly?

 

Yes, well, that is what exclusive landholders always inherently do, under any system. The difference under my system, of course, is the just compensation everyone gets for being thus deprived. You want to deprive others and not make just compensation. Simple.

 

OMG, you want to deprive me of my right to use the land nature provided. Are you some kind of exclusive landholder who wants to keep their land to themselves? WTF?

 

Sure they do, to secure and reconcile the equal individual rights of all to life, liberty, and property in the fruits of their labor. That is their job.

 

It administers exclusive landholding. That is the state's most basic function, and the reason we need states at all.

 

And it can keep me from using the land that nature provided? Any land I choose?

 

I was planning to use half of South Korea, the hilly portions of England and Wales, and about three quarters of Canada. When can I expect Just Compensation for my natural right to those lands?

 

This comrade is proving quite good fun

Still a fish in a barrel, but sure has stamina for that terminal loop. It's like a religious mantra. Hail Govt, full of grace, blessed is the fruit of your lands.

 

Your natural right is to use them NON-EXCLUSIVELY. If the governments administering possession and use of land in those areas provided just compensation for removal of your liberty rights by landowners and recognized you as a resident citizen (you could only be a resident of one of those places, of course), then you would get compensation in the form of free, secure, exclusive tenure on enough of the available advantageous land of your choice to have access to economic opportunity (or, second best, a Citizens' Dividend for an equivalent amount of money).

You will now pretend I didn't write what I just wrote.

 

So your system will let me use any land that nature has provided?

 

That sounds awesome. I'll have all the 'advantageous' land you can give me, Your Royal Highness. Because no one really wants 'advantageous' land except me, ya know. Once I've acquired that land, I'll grow vegetables (which will be easy, because it's 'advantageous' land). And sell them - for a massive profit - to people who can't buy vegetables with the measly recompense earned from lands not utilised by themselves.

 

Certainly. That is inherent in exclusive tenure. If no one wanted exclusive tenure, you'd be at liberty to exercise your natural right of non-exclusive use.

 

Filthy landowners. Keeping me from what nature has provided.

 

All who have productive uses that require exclusive tenure do. The question is, will you get just compensation for being deprived of your liberty to use it? Under my system, you do; under yours, you don't. Simple.

I don't think of land as mine, but I do have a use for it that requires exclusive tenure.

 

Yes. Exactly. That's my point. Glad you agree.

 

Wow, keeping me from using what nature provided. That's bull crap!

 

Uh, the system you're proposing would keep me from using the land that nature provided. So...uhhh...what?

 

Simple..... Socialism is the goal of the modern day Democrat Party.

 

I call 'em as I see 'em.

No, landholders would, of course. That's inherent in exclusive landholding by definition.

Just compensation from the landholder to the community of those whom he deprives of the land, and just compensation from the community to each individual for what the landholder deprives him of.

 

You seem to have lost track. That's not what "it" in bringiton's post referred to. He told you that administering possession and use of land is a basic function of any state, not only specifically of our proposed system. We are proposing a way to make exclusion rights on a piece of land not also a license to perpetually steal from everyone else.

Thank you for agreeing with us that the landowner's role in the economy is filthy. Now let's talk about how to overhaul the current system.

 

No, it administers exclusive landholding to prevent injustice.

 

Your system would allow a landholder to prevent me from using that which mother nature has provided?

 

So the system your proposing would allow people to stop me from freely using what nature has provided?

 

Brilliant.

 

Yes, if they make just compensation for what they take from you. There's no other way to have an economy above the hunter-gatherer or nomadic herding stage.