Are you concerned about lead poisoning?

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  1. perdidochas

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    Vman's study only concerns employees at shooting ranges.
     
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    It isn't a study, it's new regulations. After those regulations went into affect some gun ranges by me required a customer to buy their ammo to ensure the bullet was completely encased in copper. Many FMJ bullets have lead exposed on the base.
     
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    Apparently such is the case. But such would not apply if an effort were made to use rubber projectiles with handgun and/or rifle ammunition.
     
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    Are you concerned about lead poisoning?

    Nope.
     
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    More false information from the anti-gunners, airborne lead has been tightly regulated by the EPA for nearly two decades, the chances of absorbing any lead on a range is zero to none.
     
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    A lot of criminals have died from absorbing lead, mostly to the chest.
     
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    Frangible brass projectiles have been in use for many years and are required to be used on many indoor ranges to prevent backstop damage.
     
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    And anyone who has been to a indoor range knows the airflow is from behind the line toward the backstop, therefore unless someone was standing downrange while the range was hot there is no way they can be exposed to any lead particles or fumes.

    Your information, not surprisingly considering the source, is false and doesn't take into consideration how modern ranges are designed.

    That's known as lying by omission.
     
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    Something has got to take every person out because every person has a death warrant on their forehead when they are born, and in most cases it is probably going to be something that the government knows nothing or very little about.

    There's probably enough lead afield from the Civil War and the Indian Wars and on river bottoms to take out the entire planet, if lead were water soluble.

    Now it is being discovered that safe plastic bottles have beaucoup BPA which is transferred to the interstitial fluid and cells of human consumers and this is a threat to everyone.

    The more technological man becomes the more human life is threatened.

    I've survived so much, but something gonna take me out.

    The government cannot protect me, something gotta take me out.
     
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    Where Dems have failed to discourage gun ownership, like the Energizer Bunny, they never stop. In some states they have enlisted environmental activists to bolster their checklists for the vast dangers of gun ownership, going after the ‘environmental’ hazards of firearms in part by focusing on the lead hazard to wildlife.
    A few years ago they began the gun range assault and launched a number of assaults to make operating shooting ranges extremely costly by making arguments not only regarding indoor ranges but pushing to require outdoor ranges to be responsible for environmental cleanup of lead contamination. They have had some partial success. For instance, they were able to get some ranges where clays were targeted over water, such as one club shut down in Long Island. Since some of these early attempts, the EPA released fairly extensive requirements, regulations, and guidelines for gun range design, including installing negative airflow filtering systems, guidelines for backstop construction to better capture lead projectiles for recovery (many ranges I know contract for free to have lead removed as there is a profit to be had in the recovered lead, and many other ‘best’ practices.
    https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/documents/epa_bmp.pdf
    Additionally, the EPA, gets involved at the local level in evaluating locating, construction and operating gun ranges.
    When I teach classes, I often mention options, particularly to new shooters, on how to minimize the slight potential for exposure, such as washing exposed skin on leaving a range and laundering clothes on returning home. For those particularly concerned, at the three (2 indoor, 1 out door) boxes of disposable surgical masks are placed on the rear wall.
    Probably should add a warning sign, don’t eat expended lead projectiles; it may lead to contempt for GCAs.
     
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    Yeah, I'll be real concerned about that lead just as soon as you make all parents stop smoking around their kids. In the US a child under the age of 5 is about 350 times more likely to die from strangulation or suffocation than from poisoning or exposure to noxious substances. Maybe we should worry more about mini-blind cords or jacket hood draw strings than about shooting range lead.
    Drug use has also been linked to criminal behavior.
     
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    Smoking kills vastly more people in this country than firearms ownership can be improperly claimed to do.Even second hand smoking is far deadlier.

    So all you need is a big Federal program to rescue farmers and manufacturer's from the financial harm of eradicating the tobacco industry. There you go, enormous savings in prevented human suffering and death. Billions recovered from medical costs.I'd vote for that. I'd support politicians who would eradicate the scourge of tobacco.

    Let me know when you've got that one sorted,
     
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    So how do indoor ranges pose risk to kids miles away and outdoor ranges have lots of bullets laying in dirt berms.
    As a cyclist, know where I see most lead? In the form of wheel weights laying in the gutters. I collect them when I find them (which is often)

    I can tell you the life cycle of them. When they first fall off, they look new, more or less. After they get ran over, the are pitted from the roadway. Eventually they will typically break into several pieces. The longer they are in the gutters, the more pulverized they get. Then the rain comes and washes it right into the waterways (along with all the various auto fluids).

    I'd think that non pulverized lead in a berm is nothing in comparasin. Just another attempt to villify guns.
     
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    Bismuth is not uncommon, but has inferior ballistics
    Lead Free Bullet Casting Alloy Bismuth based - RotoMetals

    https://www.rotometals.com › Bullet Casting Alloys

    Rating: 5 - ‎5 votes - ‎$15.59 - ‎In stock
    This ratio of~ 87.25% Bismuth, 0.75% Antimony and 12% Tin is the best ratio we have come up with as a substitute for lead. This alloy melts at about 395 F and ...
     
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    Me neither and I cast round lead ball for my 1858 New Model Army.
     
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    ~ I am not concened about lead poisoning - with the exception of being shot by some idiot gang-banger or an angry "progressive " psychopath out for revenge . :gun:`:omfg:
     
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    :eekeyes: ~ WOW ! That's a lot of lead. Nice ...:thumbsup:
     
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    The nature of my work requires annual physicals including blood, urine and lung tests. I was first screened for lead exposure in 1978. I have also been a life long recreational shooter, many hundreds of thousands of rounds fired in all possible forms of indoor and outdoor shooting sports. Never once have I have registered lead in any medical test beyond the normal background levels for the greater population. In my long career the only cases I have heard of were caused by factory workers ignoring or bypassing standard procedures and safeguards. Even those were minor exposures, none that were considered a danger to health.

    My workplace of the last decade has an indoor shooting facility for product testing requirement by government contract. A $250,000 was spent to capture all sound, all smoke, all particulates and of course the bullets in an enormous steel snail-shell shaped bullet trapped. Millions of rounds can be fired i there in a year and the air is constantly monitored. Not a single scintilla of data has ever shown a lead escape.

    Lead poisoning from discarded bullets? Absolute nonsense, the stuff of some science denier's wild politically inspired wet dream.
     
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    See my post on the life cycle of wheel weights in the gutter. This thread is nothing more than an attempt to further, demonize guns.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-lead-poisoning.565346/page-2#post-1071250403
     
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    I am concerned.
    I'm concerned about the spread of BS by the anti-gun people, who endanger us all.
     
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    F-troop banned most common calibers of steel rifle ammunition by fiat 2 decades ago.
     

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