US Attorney Durham objects to IG findings on Russia probe origins in stunning statement

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Congress has always given Presidents wide latitude in this and if asking for favors is a crime then no President will be safe from a hyper partisan crusade.
     
  2. Bluesguy

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    I think Brennen's problems are just beginning. Comey will probably weasle his way out on technicalities. Too bad we will probably never get to an investigation where finally it can be asked "What did Obama know and when did he know it?"
     
  3. Hoosier8

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    You assumed quit clearly and cannot prove that assumption.
     
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    He hasn't been able to clean up much. They've been attacking him from all angles.

    I think that he didn't realize what he was getting into.
     
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    Assuming that; yes, there's a difference.

    Biden succeeded. Trump only, allegedly, tried.
     
  6. Hoosier8

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    I think he loves the fight.
     
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    Asking for favors, while threatening to withhold Congressionally approved funding, unless an investigation is publicly announced by the Head of State of another country is, IMO, an impeachable offense, and possibly a crime.
     
  8. Paul7

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    The IG Report established Brennan lied to Congress when he said the dossier had no part in the Russia investigation.
     
  9. Bush Lawyer

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    Okay, so if there is strong evidence that Trump did in fact attempt to do what you say Biden actually did, Trump should be removed from Office and Biden kept out of Office?
     
  10. Thought Criminal

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    Who cares? He didn't.
     
  11. Hoosier8

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    The only problem you have is no threat.
     
  12. Talon

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    Since James Clapper has already implicated Obama there's nothing to stop Durham and Barr from going there.
     
  13. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Having spent half my life in the DC area it's pretty clear to me he vastly underestimated what he was getting into and the resistance he would receive from our lords and masters in the federal bureaucracy.

    I always thought he would be lucky just to change the culture in Washington. Cleaning it up will take decades and multiple administrations dedicated to that very task, and being as how Democrats are joined at the hip with the federal bureaucracy and public sector labor unions such an endeavor is going to be fraught with constant obstruction and repeated setbacks.

    The ugly truth of the matter is that we've lost control of the federal government and we're unlikely to get it back. The Federal Leviathan has grown so large and powerful and so many people have become so dependent upon and invested in its largesse and power that there's no returning to the limited government the Founders and Framers intended and envisioned for our country. Unless people turn themselves and this situation around - and what are the odds of that? - we are eventually going to drown in our government the same way the people in the Soviet Union did. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn warned us 40 years ago that the same fate awaits us if we keep stumbling down this path but half the country doesn't want to listen.
     
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    We ask other countries to do things for us all the time and sometimes make those things subject to funding. But in this case we never did.
     
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    You better hope he still has his teeth when it's all said and done! Funny, you are sounding like all those so called desperate liberals when the Mueller report came out...

    Anyway, we all saw this coming. There isn't evidence of political influence at the FBI and Durham won't likely find it either. What they will find is an agency that could be better about how it goes about it's business and that's a good thing to find and correct as far as I'm concerned because that means they will be better equipped to defend this nation against people who abuse the public trust for their own benefit...you know, like the guy you voted for. Keep fighting the good fight!
     
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    Dang, Durham comes out with a very unusual statement that counters the IG conclusion on the beginning of the investigation. Durham did this to counter the media misinformation you are evidently getting. This means that Durham already has some of the goods.
     
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    You really need to watch what they are now calling "The Barr files."
     
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    Nonsense, if Obama had done this do you think people would be saying this? He blatantly used the IRS against political opponents.
     
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    It's why his investigation was upgraded to a criminal one.
     
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    “The Inspector General’s report now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken,” Barr said

    It is also clear that, from its inception, the evidence produced by the investigation [of Trump campaign ties to Russia] was consistently exculpatory. Nevertheless, the investigation and surveillance was pushed forward for the duration of the campaign and deep into Preisident Trump’s administration.

    In the rush to obtain and maintain FISA surveillance of Trump campaign associates, FBI officials misled the FISA court, omitted critical exculpatory facts from their filings, and suppressed or ignored information negating the reliability of their principal source.

    The Inspector General found the explanations given for these actions unsatisfactory. While most of the misconduct identified by the Inspector General was committed in 2016 and 2017 by a small group of now-former FBI officials, the malfeasance and misfeasance detailed in the Inspector General’s report reflects a clear abuse of the FISA process.

    https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/12...he-ig-report-on-fbis-spying-on-trump-campaign
     
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    And given the limits of Horowitz's power and investigation one has to wonder how much information he was able to obtain regarding the origins of the investigation. As we discussed yesterday on Page 9, Durham has interviewed Alexander Downer and Erika Thompson and obtained "elusive professor" Joseph Misfud's deposition along with two of his Blackberrys.

    Has Horowitz interviewed any of these people outside the DOJ and U.S. and did Barr and Durham share the information they've obtained from their own investigations and sources? It sure doesn't look that way.

    Incidentally, I find it amusing how John Brennan has no idea why Barr and Durham would be snooping around Europe and interviewing people in Rome and London. How utterly and laughably unbelievable....
     
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    Because it's his (Horowitz) report and it was limited in scope in comparison to the criminal investigation by Barr and Durham. Horowitz is widely respected but that does not mean that they cannot disagree on the findings because they have more evidence than what he uncovered. They were there to discuss it, not modify his findings.
     
  24. Paul7

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    He's a proven liar, the IG report verified that he committed perjury when he told the House under oath that the dossier played no part in the Russia investigation, the IG said it was 'central' to it.
     
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    I saw that, and the testimony I read didn't specify anything about the quantity and quality of the information Horowitz received.

    The obvious answer is that they don't need to provide that information to Horowitz. However, I have to presume that if they possess information that contradicted Horowitz's assessments we'll find out about it next year.
     

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