Of course Durham disagrees with IG Horowitz, that's because it'd be impossible to agree.

Refreshing HUH?

 

And there's a lot, both good and bad to say about that. I think we as a country need to be able to face inconvenient truths, even I myself gear myself towards truths that might be incompatible with my own view of the world. That's because no one person, regardless of thought or philosophy can attain everything. Trump's greatest asset is his ability to face inconvenient truths.

But sometimes, we might think something isn't true when it is true. And that's where Trump gets tripped up at times. But as I said before: It's hard to discern truth when no one wants to speak to it, under oath.

 

Agreed. Sometimes I'm not sure if Trump repeats a conspiracy theory just to push his political opponent's buttons, or because he wants the news media to start talking about it, tripping them up, and making Trump's topic, not theirs, the focus of the nightly news.

 

These are what are known as assumptions without basis in fact.

 

You are describing wishful thinking, or what AmericanNationalist would call assumptions. There are no observable perceptions of anything you say.

 

When democrats commit a crime (Hillary's private server, Biden demanding quid pro quo, Comey leaking classified info, Brennan lying under oath, Burger stuffing classified papers in his pants, Clapper lying under oath) it is called bad judgment. When Trump asks for a favor from a foreign president it is an impeachable crime.

 

I think that it is all about Republican ideology. Or more precisely, the conservative way of thinking, which relies more on belief than empirical evidence.

I think the evidence is not in dispute. That the Russians endeavored to interfere in our election on the side of Republicans, especially Donald Trump. Republicans, such as Moscow Mitch McConnell, and most likely others such as Devin Nunes and Lindsey Graham, knew about and welcomed that interference, and then spent a lot of effort trying to cover up that fact. Being as the Republicans allowed Trump to get away with his misdeeds, he then went on to attempt an effort to bring the Ukraine into his corrupt orbit, for which he got caught.

I'm sure there are reasons, the unspoken of elephant in the room, that results in many Trump supporters from accepting the fact that dear Leader is kind of a turd. Not only the Russian/Ukrainian corruption, but also the sexual predation, the habitual lying, the failed and corrupt business track record, the racism, his limited intelligence, and repeated instances of him being clearly in over his head around other world leaders, most of who are laughing at him. For some reason many on the right see him as something others clearly do not.

The current defense of Trump seems to be that the origins of the investigations were somehow faulty, totally ignoring the corruption and criminality those investigations uncovered. I keep get the feeling that many on the right share the corrupt and criminal mindset of Trump, thus not seeing the wrongness of it.

It is like the right is unaware that we can see them cheating their way into power. Just pretend we are something we are not, and carry on with whatever it is you think you are getting away with.

 

We don need no stinkin evidence!

 

No, we hold law to a much higher standard then you ever will. Just because prosecutions were successful because of these criminal endeavors, does not make them less criminal. Furthermore, there was no need for a special counsel for Paul Manafort's crimes, that could've been just as easily handled by the DOJ financial department sufficiently.

Equally, the Gen. Flynn case is far from resolved and I imagine it won't be resolved for some time. It also had absolutely nothing to do with 2016. The fact of the matter is that the FBI lied to a court under oath, withheld evidence.

You WOULD be in jail if you committed these same offenses. Not maybe, not if. You WOULD be in jail. There's enough evidence to indict James Comey today. Perjury is a federal crime, regardless of what ends the crime leads to. You're the one defending criminal activity, I'm speaking against it.

 

My, that's was an educated, fact filled rebuttal,........seriously

 

That's why they all duck, some just more than others

 

That's funny, since its the Democrats in the House who are relying on "belief" that they and they alone, know what the president's inner thoughts, intentions and motives were, without any evidence at all.

The Russian troll farmers spent about $50,000 on Facebook ads during the campaign, and according to Google, they spent $4,700 dollars across all Google platforms. Hilary spent well over $100 million on ads and Trump spent about half that, but they both still eclipsed the paltry $55,000 spent by Russians.

It's silly to claim that $55,000 was even noticed, compared to the $160 million that the Hilary and Trump campaigns spent.

 

If you've been following the news lately, you know that WaPo just published the GWOT version of the Pentagon Papers.

Lo and Behold, it turns out our government has been lying to us and spending our tax dollars on military aggression EVEN AS they knew damn well it was a losing proposition.

So my point is that lying, bribery and obstruction and possibly treason are practiced commonly in Washington DC. Sec State Pompeo announced that some months back regarding his time with the CIA. "We lie, we cheat, we steal".

So really, what Trump has done in that regard is standard fare for Washington. He did not drain the swamp, he gave it new curtains and furniture.