Seattle’s Wage Mandate Kills Restaurants

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  1. ronv

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    Not really. It's just like a tax.
    A non-regressive tax.
     
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    Minimum wage for example is a five tierd system in Great Britain




    UK minimum wage and living wage 2018–19
    Age UK minimum wage per hour Minimum wage from April 2019

    1) 25 years and older £7.83 £8.21

    2) 21–24 years £7.38 £7.70

    3) 18–20 years £5.90 £6.15

    4) Under 18 years £4.20 £4.35
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    A guide to minimum wage in the UK - Expat Guide to the United Kingdom ...
     
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  3. ronv

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    A better way here might be by state. With the low income states having a lower minimum wage.
    The median wage in Mississippi is less than $15 an hour.
     
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    True.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2015/04/13/who-makes-15-per-hour/amp/



    It’s easy to assume that workers earning less than $15 is a small subset of the workforce. But, in fact, 42% of all workers in the United States fit this bill. Just over half of all African Americans earn less than $15 an hour, and nearly 60% of Latinos make that hourly sum.
     
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    The minimum wage already varies by state. Federal minimum wage is $7.25, but only 21 states have a minimum wage of $7.25. Twenty states have a minimum wage of $9/hour or higher, and fourteen states have a minimum wage of $10/hour or higher.
     
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    So there we go.
    Lets just up those 21 to $9 (7.25 plus 10 years of inflation) and declare victory.
     
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    If you said "up those 21 states to $8.04/hour" I might go along with you, since $8.04/hour is the floor for food stamps for a single adult. That implies the US government thinks you can get by with $8.04/hour. If you want $9, make yourself worth $9, but you can live on $8.04 ;)

    $7.25 really only works best either for kids getting a first job, while still living at home with their parents, or maybe a spouse wanting a little extra spending money but who doesn't have to fully support themselves independently.
     
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    No, I simply responded to your statement, as made. As for this statement, define "aiding companies to underpay wages".

    SCOTUS is not an Oligarchy. They are not above the US Constitution. See Article III.

    VISA and McDonald do not determine what wage people can live on.

    I'm not wasting my time to look at a link that you are unable to explain in your own words. As I said, I expect my interlocutors to be able to form their own arguments.
     
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    Make it $9 and I'll throw in kids under 19 at 7.25. :)
     
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    SCOTUS is not an oligarchy. The federal government has no power to implement price controls. Article 1 Section 8 is quite clear.
     
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    No they are not. They just break the ties when people like you don't like the laws past by Congress.
    Slick, huh?
     
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    Seattle has too many restaurants anyways. They can probably afford to weed out a lot and still have more than most cities.

    The Top Ten Restaurant-Dense Cities in the US
    (The number represents restaurants per 10,000 households.)

    1: San Francisco, CA, 39.3
    2: Fairfield County, CT, 27.6
    3: Long Island, NY, 26.5
    4: New York, NY-NJ, 25.3
    5: Seattle, WA, 24.9
    6: San Jose, CA, 24.8
    7: Orange County, CA, 24.8
    8: Providence, RI-MA, 24.3
    9: Boston, MA, 24.2
    10: Portland, OR-WA, 24.0
     
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    I never wrote that I don't know what CEO's do. I am asking you, why must it be that incredible high. And GINI doesn't measure income. It measures income distribution. And the US is at the bottom of the list... proving the lucky few get it all, the masses get almost nothing.
     
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    They will then take that $9. per hour paycheck and spend it buying products from businesses that must also pay their entry-level employees $9. and end up no better off than before. It is nothing more than a raise for the government.
     
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    Yep. And an unemployment rate less than 2.5%.
     
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    No. It's a tax on the wealthy since there are a lot more of them than there are people making minimum wage.
    The difference is there is no gov't in between.
     
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    You are incorrect. The wealthy didn't get that way by eating losses. They pass the cost on to the customer. The government gets more tax money and the employee is not better off than before. Los Angeles Min wage is $14.25 and will be $15. next week. Can you make the case that they are living better as a result?
     
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    Not seeing any sourced posted.

    When people get aid to get food on the table while working their butts off, than obviously companies are underpaying them and the government is helping them companies out with that. That's now how the capitalistic system works, and you know it. You're just distracting all over the place with my argument.

    Walmart is getting that help from the government to underpay it's employees. Hence I say, in a capitalistic system, it doesn't get that aid. That aid must be deducted from the profits of the company and from the pay that the management gets. How about you go explain to me why the government should be aiding multi millionaires and a company that earns billions. And your argument that the CEO earns it.... is not backed up by anything.

    Because their companies were going bankrupt. Duh

    https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/31/business/31pay.html
    5000 managers were paid 1 million in bonuses or more, while their company was being kept afloat by taxes.
    20 billion bucks in total was spend on handing out bonuses. Who cares that some didn't get it.
    It proves the sickness of CEO's and top managers getting millions, even when they are totally failing at their jobs.


    I wrote 40% earn less than 15 bucks an hour. You can not disprove that with the median wage number.
    And I can prove my things: https://slate.com/business/2016/03/how-many-workers-earn-less-than-15-per-hour.html

    Oh yeah... 40% earn less than 15 bucks an hour.... that sure is some "high standard of living".
     
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    The government is not there to help underpay your staff with food stamps, so you can haul in a big profit.
    Taxes can be lowered for all if them greedy people who exploit others are able to pay up for it.
    But I guess some people love paying taxes.
     
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    They don't eat the cost in most cases they pass it along to customers.
    But since there are a lot more customers making more than minimum wage that there are making minimum wage it is mostly paid for my richer people. The gov't has nothing to do with it other than tax receipts go up and welfare goes down.
    I have no idea about LA. But my guess would be they have more restaurants today than they had last year.
     
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    People earning dirt low wages, are being underpaid by their employees... because they can, because the US government helps those companies out by giving their staff also food stamps. Food stamps aren't created out of thin air. It's paid through taxes. And I already told you there is plenty of money being made in the US. There is no reason why the middle class is paying taxes so the top managers can earn some millions more while the bottom gets those taxes by getting food stamps. And who cares that some failing company goes bankrupt if they can't pay their staff decent wages. The government is not there to keep those companies afloat.
     
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    Do you have information about Welfare going down with a higher min wage?

    Restaurants across the US are struggling and many Los Angeles restaurants are not expected to survive 2020.
     
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    Good lord... lol

    That's not an argument. That's a silly little opinion. I fail to see why a company like VISA, that's all about money, doesn't know what people need to make ends meet,.... since they get to see the bills.

    Oh I explained it well enough. You're just sticking your head in the sand as an ostrich.
     
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    The odds are that people still would like to have dinner in LA. Maybe they can pay their management a lot less. Because you know,... do you really need a lot of management skills to tell a waiter how to do it's job?
     
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    There are numerous links to the Democrat debates and their campaign speeches for their "living wages" and free stuff.
    Non-sequitur.

    The company gets nothing. The grocery store can raise it's prices though just like colleges do their tuition's.

    And again you don't seem to understand the role and function of executive officers.

    Walmart is getting nothing.


    Because they managed the assests through a bankruptcy to producet the least loss and get the company back to growth and managers that do not do that to the satisfaction of the owners get fired.


    Yes they successfully managed those companies through an economic crisis.

    And the link to the study in your cite doesn't work so I have idea about who theie source is or there methodology.

    The average hourly wage for wage earners is $28.29 even retail is almost $20
    https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t19.htm
    And again that does not include benefits.


    I gave you our median income, yes it is.
     

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