What was Trump trying to say about windturbines???

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  1. Professor Peabody

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    Please learn how to use the forum properly. The text of your response appears right in the middle of the quote of what I said making it look like I said it.
     
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    No we have to pay off intrest, that's one of our biggest problems, to the feds of Obama's quantitative easing, to Germany and China.

    Its almost 300 billion a year
     
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    So what's worse for the environment? Spent nuclear rods under a mountain in Utah, or pumping a ton of CO2 into the air? I am going with pumping a bunch of CO2 into the air.
     
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    Honest mistake . Thanks for pointing it out.
     
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    No worries!
     
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    Technically, why can't we have very small nuclear reactors, like those on ships, placed every square mile to provide 'local' power?
     
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    In most urban areas of the US, the cost of living is too expensive for middle and lower class occupancy. Yet it is in these urban areas where whatever services exist are located. For a homeless person I'm sure there are great places in rural locations to camp and/or set up home...but there are no services.
    And not to forget a significant portion of homeless people are dealing with chemical and drug abuse and mental illness leading to poor decisions how to manage their lives. In 1950 1/2% of the population being homeless was not apparent but today 1/2% of 325 million being homeless is a big deal...
     
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    All good points.

    I might guess that in the 1950s, when one head of household could work and provide for a family and when families tended to stay nearby as work was more stable, it gave a lot more capacity for caring for family members who had various problems. Today, having one family earner isn't so great, especially at low income. And, people move all over the country as jobs change. The kids don't stay on the farm, or work for years in their father's store looking for the day he retires. Today, people move an averge of more than 11 times according to census data.
     
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    The median income in the US is $31K, which is about $15/hour, and at least 6.2% ($2K) of this is withheld for FICA, and if we assume no other taxes, this leaves about $29,000 per year for half of the American workforce. Those who might live in lower cost of living areas and can remain employed barely manage but those living in higher cost of living areas don't have a chance! All it might take is an extended illness, some financial missteps, or prolonged loss of work, and the world quickly caves in. And to think this scenario applies to over half of the American workers today...
     
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    Far more, like a thousand times more birds die from crashing into windows.
     
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    Also, one of Trump's first acts was to eliminate protection for birds from EPA standards.

    NOW he worries about birds?
     
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    Your definition of 'stupid' is what ?
     
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    Sometimes the lack of intelligence but in this case it’s more lack of common sense and self awareness.
     
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    The homeless and destitute arrived in urban area's before the 'services'. Cities have more to offer and the poor learn how make the best of the meager. resources there are. In the UK services make it so the poor need not go without food and health care but homelessness persists. Living on the streets with alcohol and drug addiction is not a hedonistic lifestyle. The streets are often hostile, unwelcoming and sometimes deadly urban environments yet the destitute manage to navigate a daily existence with the minimal of resources. Alcohol and drugs provide a coping mechanism. To addicts the drug is a not a problem its a solution to a problem although they'd have us believe it's the demon drug ruining their lives. Are the homeless and destitute victims of circumstance or self inflicted poverty?
     
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    Trump is getting old, think his brain is shutting down on him
     
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    Mostly it's the external circumstances that has effected their lives along with personal limitations that existed from birth. Homelessness is only one aspect of these issues because we see their camps and we judge them...how many Americans are inflicted with chronic depression? How many more are suicidal and/or have committed suicide?
     
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    that their production causes pollution (which is what it's supposed to eliminate/reduce but doesn't), and that those production jobs are overseas... meaning lost jobs for the usa, and useless environmental laws in the usa (because those laws only hurt us, while not stopping production of pollution in other countries)... a triple whammy against americans...

    makes perfect sense to those with living brain cells...
     
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    Wind turbines for the US are not produced abroad, the US gets its wind turbines from 3 US manufacturers.
     
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    https://energyacuity.com/blog/2019-top-10-wind-turbine-manufacturers/

    #1 german
    #2 danish
    #3 multi-national(born in usa) - majority of employees are in 59 other countries
    #4 german
    #5 european (germany)
    #6 german (filed for insolvency this year)
    #7 chinese
    #8 chinese
    #9 india
    #10 multinational (japanese)
     
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    GE,Siemens and so on all manufacture in the US, employ thousand of US workers, produce billions in revenue, in the US.
    They do not manufacture those turbine components abroad and ship them to the US.
    They are made in the US, by US workers.
    Not imported.
    The Chinese have no food print in the US wind mill market.
    Dotard as usual made up those things.

    Do you know that the first wind farms in the North Sea are going online, without any government support at all. They are flat out profitable.
     
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    In the UK quite a few notable individuals from the media and political bodies tried to live on the streets and failed. All middle class, intelligent, sensible careerists', out of their comfort zone ill equipped.. I see the homeless & destitute as casualties of a society that demands much of its citizens. There will always be those who through lack of education, opportunity, mental illness or other misfortune find themselves in the alien environment of street life. This subject is a complicated social global problem .
     
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    My statement on stupidity and bad decisions was in response to the question of why 45% of folks don’t have any savings. I guess that may include the homeless, I don’t know. But a homeless dude and a dude earning 60K and still having no savings aren’t a great comparison in my opinion.

    I’m not surprised media and political figures couldn’t live on the streets. They wouldn’t have the physical skills or the mental dexterity to survive long term.

    I would have to agree with you on a segment of homeless preferring a simple life to complications of modern society.
     
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