Do you think the things that President Trump is being accused of are wrong?

Credible as far as what?

It's a very simple and grammatically correct sentence, what is your difficulty?

 

It is all in the House Oversight Committee Report.

 

No question, but I am having real problems with it, Could you state it some other way?

 

well one person's wise up is another's dumb down, I suppose. Its all a matter of perspective.

He didn't extort anyone. You really should review what he said, why he said it, on who's behalf he said it and what happened after he said it. The facts are very very very clear.

The Prosecutor in question was NOT INVESTIGATING and PROSECUTING corruption. Sorkin was as crooked as they came in Ukraine and that is about as crooked as you can get.

A transparent and utterly phony projected accusation against trump's main political rival. Its made up, to support the ridiculous notion that Dear Leader Donnie gives a crap about corruption in the rest of the world. Trumpians fell for it by the millions - go figger.

Well now lets delve into the trumpian tough guy fantasy.

1. yes the sanctions he was forced to sign in the first months of his presidency because - you might recall - the russians attack America. As it is he relieved a few of the oligarchs from the sanctions in cahoots with Moscow Mitch - you might recall reading about that one.

2. Public bragging? Surely you jest. Putin doesn't get angry, he's way to cagy for that and he also knows a good thing when he sees one and Trump as President is one of his greatest victories over the evil American Empire. Meanwhile he has crimea, Donbas, Syria, and is increasing its influence and threat across the board, while tough guy donnie tweets his toughness to the world.
LAUGHING STOCK in Russa.

3. Oh yeah, joint NATO training operations in Poland and Tough Guy Trump has placed armor along the russian border. Do you have any idea how NATO works in Europe? Only somebody with no clue would believe Donnies bullshit.

4. Javelins to Ukraine - good for donnie, he made an CinC decision and sent them as a deterrent to an outright russian armored invasion of Ukraine, which ain't bloody likely but nonetheless their presence does give the russkies cause to pause. Course they got way more tanks than the Ukrainians have javelins - and Vladdie has all those soviet tanks he can use so its a wash in the long run I guess.

I guess you have missed all those times that Dear Leader Tough Guy Stable Genius Donnie kissed Putin's arse in public. Or how he has promoted Putin's plans, avoided direct confrontation, gave Putin a pass for the cyberwarfare attack on America, all the while spouting russian conspiracy theories.

PATHETIC.

 

While you make a ton of excuses for Biden, including blaming other countries and claiming Sorkin did not investigate, as if poor little Joe really wanted an investigation, you crucify Trump who merely asked for a Favor and did not threaten Zelensky with a thing.

You felt as bad with Trump vs Putin as I felt when Obama kissed arses of the Muslims and bowed to leaders of other nations.
Frankly those funds were appropriated and Biden did not have the right to threaten Ukraine as he did and boasted he did. Did you hear him make the excuses you make for him. Enjoy your hate of our President and get used to having him for 5 more years.

Trump was eager to sanction the Russians. As I informed you, he did so many things against Putin you never hear Putin calling Trump his pal. Do you recall how friendly Obama was to Putin for I sure do.

Trump did not gift Putin with Donbas nor Crimea. Do you not recall it was Obama that did that?

I was once part of NATO and in the Army in Germany. I definitely know all about NATO including it is not an attack force, it is defense in nature.

Fat chance of Russia attacking us.

You are right that Russia will never invade Ukraine, not so long as Putin is in charge.

He did not give Putin a pass over Cyber meddling in our election. All he did was directly ask Putin if he ordered it. And got back to us with Putin's reply. It is possible that renegades in Russia did it and Putin was not in the loop.

I have a tip that may cure your bitter hate for Trump. Pretend that Russia did to you as dear leader what he did to Obama. Recall that Obama claimed he knew but his pal Putin was not confessing. So should Obama have sent in the tanks and troops and plundered Russia?

Think about it. Would you want Trump to have done that?

Are you truly ready for a missile to hit your city?

Not me.

 

Wow. You think that the Vice President acting on American, EU, IMF policy regarding corruption in ukraine to remove a corrupt prosecutor that refused to hold crooks to account is equivalent to the PRESIDENT asking another world leader for a favor - a personal political errand. What a joke.

I see you have no idea what power politics is all about. Didn't threaten?
The guy is under existential attack from Russia and trump dangles it to get dirt or at least the perception of dirt on Biden. Zelensky is dependent on Trump's goodwill but here is trump demanding investigating idiot conspiracy theories and suggesting the crooks were actually the good guys.

Personal political errand vs international condition for support Yep you got a real handle on what's what.


Yet you had no problem with Trump curtsying to the Saudi King. Obama was being respectful and polite. Donnie was being obsequious and proud.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/02/poli...ons-chemical-weapons-spy-poisoning/index.html

In nearly every instance he caved to congressional pressure to impose sanctions. Look back to spring 2016.

Then you know you were misrepresenting NATO exercises as Trump put armor on the russian border.

That position is the height of trumpian hubris. Total rejection of the facts. Ignores indictments. Considers the entire US intelligence community to be wrong and corrupt and out to get your Dear Leader.

How pathetic that it is cloaked in the quest to find America's lost greatness.

Hahahahaahahaahahahaahah! OMG! You resort to pretend Obama? Missile to hit my city? Man, WTF? I remember watching the Cuban Missile Crisis on our little B&W, and despite trump's performance, we are one helluva long way away from those days.


Trump's words and actions and their effects have earned my everlasting animus. I consider him to be a lowlife crook unworthy of the high office he holds.

 

This is typical of when I present Facts, all I get in return is "I hate Trump so much nothing he does is correct and when Joe Biden extorts Ukraine, I plan to blame it all on Nato"

I am currently into Nikki Haley's excellent book where she speaks of constantly harassing Russia over crap Russia pulled. Yet to the Trump haters, Putin loves this boot up his nether regions. Amazing.

More than blaming you, I blame your sources. Yes the media hates Trump so you tag along.

 

Wow, Robert. You should tap out while you can.

 

If proven it's really wrong, it's even exploitation of the present situation of Ukraine against Russia, Ukraine is in dire need of support because of the conflicts at East Ukraine, not mentioning the usage of the power of his office and the money of the taxpayer being used for his own behalf.

 

It's because Congress has oversight of the executive branch. This is an implied power that has been confirmed by the Supreme Court. The Executive does not have the same power over the legislative branch. The President can use executive privilege, but that's limited. A blanket refusal to submit to oversight is pretty clearly unconstitutional. Any lawyer worth their stones would have advised this. What the President is doing is clearly no more than a delaying tactic. He will lose in court. If he doesn't then we have much bigger problems in this country.

 

Dems have been digging since 2016 for something....anything. I think it is very proper for a President to be concerned about foreign corruption before a "gift" of money is handed over too them. We had a crack smoking, military dishonorable discharge son of an American VP making $80,000 / month to buy access to the Whitehouse. It is important that the President puts a stop to such corruption and determines the Ukraine is now on the up and up. If there was any quid pro quo it was Creepy Joe Biden. We have him on tape and video threatening to withhold pre approved money. Of course Quid Pro Quo seems to be a non issue with the Dems anymore. They jump all over the place trying to find "anything". They did the same with the Kavenaugh hearings. This is Sol Alinsky's Rules for Radical 101. They want as many witnesses as possible to find anything to hang their hat on.

 

The Socialist Democrat Party of America needs to fold in favor of a "Blue Dog Party".

 

I don't deal in what if's. But I'll say this, I got so sick and tired of all the BS partisan political propaganda coming from both sides beginning the day after the 2016 election that I put both sides on ignore after around six months into Trump's presidency. I just got totally fed up with it all. Let both very partisan side battle this out. Our country deserves much better from both major parties, both should be working for the betterment of the country, not trying to destroy each other.

Thank god for the MLB network and ESPN. Wake me up when this is all over with, in the mean time I'm going to be watching Barney Miller reruns along with a re-showing of Don Larson's Perfect game in the World Series.