Julian Assange: "I'm Slowly Dying Here".

It's a mystery why Assange doesn't want to put his life in the hands of the Trump administration. After all, their respect for the rule of law is legendary.

 

I personally believe Trump probably doesn't really care what happens to Assange either way.
However, he has nothing politically to gain by speaking out his opinion, if he did have one.

There were many conservatives during the Bush era who wanted to see Assange hanged. Though I'm not entirely sure if these same individuals are within the crowd of Trump supporters these days.

From what I see on this forum, it seems virtually all those who hate Assange are on the Left. At least any conservatives who hate him have kept quiet.

 

The Obama administration looked for ways to indict Assange but decided against it because they thought it would endanger the first amendment.

So either Obama was right or Trump understands the constitution better than Obama.

I look forward to our resident Democrats trying to wriggle their way out of that one.

 

It's really sad that justice has been made into a politically partisan affair.

It's sad that people have no inner conscience these days.

 

No. Try again. I am an Aussie.

 

So you are a Trump-hater from Australia who also wants to see Assange suffer.

Can I ask, is there anything in particular that makes (or made) you feel ill-will towards him? Specifically, anything politically personal to you?

I think it's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that those "rape" accusations were not what they appeared to be and were pretty hollow, and the truthfulness of the claims Assange was acting nutty in the embassy were called into serious doubt, but you don't seem to be willing to be intellectually honest with us, so I can only assume there must be something causing you to harbor hate against him.

 

The greatest blunder that Assange did was going to Ecuador seeking for asylum,
he should go to Russia instead, he has a lot of buddies out there, including I think Putin himself.

 

I sure am Trump hater. I am neither Republican nor Democrat. I don't want to see anyone suffer, but Assange made this bed. He lies in it.

 

Yes I'm aware of the 5 eyes.

 

Perhaps you should try reading things twice in order to completely comprehend what it is you've just read? Just a suggestion.

In the first place, I have never stated (read it again) that Sweden has ever charged Assange with anything.

You tell me which statement is not true, because I want to be perfectly clear that you've said that nothing I stated is true and I'm about to prove you wrong. Let's get specific which item was it that you claim is not true. Here, I'll list them for you to make it easier. Get back to me on each one.

1. The Brits are keeping him locked up on charges of breaching bail?
2. Assange will face charges of sexual assault in Sweden?
3. The US want Assange extradicted to charge him with espionage?
4. He smeared feces on the walls of the Ecuador embassy?
5. The U.S. Justice Dept. filed 17 criminal charges against Assange?
6. Assange is charged with violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act?

 

Hysterically? No.

With facts gleaned from the Mueller Report. Which you haven't read and know nothing about.

You desperately need information in the Mueller Report. Read it.

 

Yes, you and the rest of your ilk were and still are quite hysterical. It's been nothing but Russia, Russia, Russia for the past three years, all day, every day. And when the Mueller report finally came out... absolutely nothing of consequence. A total anticlimax which you are still desperate to fluff up in any way you can. It's both sad and comical watching you try to salvage that disaster by pretending the Mueller report did anything but utterly refute your wild ass conspiracy theories about Trump's alleged "collusion" with Russia.

 

I don’t give a rat’s ass about Assange. Whether he rots in jail or retires to a house overlooking the Mediterranean in Southern France, I don’t care.

 

He will not face charges of sexual assault in Sweden or anywhere else. The investigation is over. And the only thing that stopped Swedish authorities from actually charging Assange with a crime was their utter lack of proof in support of such a charge. It was nothing more than a fraudulent pretext to get Assange into custody so that he could be extradited to the lawless Trump administration, which you are now allied with in its attempts to destroy journalism. And that is the ONLY relevant factor here, is the effect this extradition will have on press freedoms, though you are desperate to distract from that with smears and attacks on Assange's character and personality.

 

Russia does now what we did when we were the free world. In the past we would take in asylum seekers from the USSR as a humanitarian gesture. Now the situation is reversed, and Russia is the free world and the one willing to take in our asylum seekers - again as a humanitarian gesture. Same thing!

If there was a way for Assange to get to Russia, I'm sure he would go. But they were watching him like a hawk, so he didn't dare leave the embassy.

As for Ecuador, I think it was the only embassy in London with the courage to take him in. I assume he was kicked out when the administration changed in Ecuador, but I'm not sure though. I might be wrong. What I do know is that the Ecuadorian people felt humiliated and disgraced when they took away his asylum.

 

Wow. Nothing but repetition of debunked talking points will get you--

---and assignment to read the Mueller Report.

The Mueller Report, though limited in scope, is incredibly damning. But you wouldn't know that, because you haven't even scanned it, let alone read it.

 

Everything you just said is wrong. The investigation stopped and charged dropped by Sweden because the STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS ran out! Julian Assange is as much a journalist as my dog is. He was a CONDUIT to journalists, nothing more.

 

So a conservative has chimed in expressing that he does not care one bit, either way.

Can I ask why you don't care?

Is it just that you don't care about people in general, or did Assange do something that causes you not to care about his fate?

(or maybe this case is too complicated for you to fully understand?)

 

That's not entirely true. There was still one law he was wanted for that the statute of limitations had not run out on, when the prosecutor initially dropped the extradition request.

I believe part of it was the prosecutor conducted further investigation casting some doubt on the reliability of the witnesses. The two women had met up with each other after the fact, and were angry at Assange after they found out he had been sleeping with both of them. So they may have corroborated their stories to exaggerate some of the points. The prosecutor may have decided, when she (the prosecutor) finally pieced the entirety of the situation together, that it was not really worth pursuing. (The whole prosecution had been a little questionable in the first place)

It's amazing how ignorant people are about the actual situation in Sweden, but we have started another thread specifically devoted to that where hopefully people here can try to get more informed.

 

Unless he's successfully extradited to the U.S. to face charges, I suspect Julian's "15 minutes of fame" are gone.

 

You are correct, my mistake.

But for all practical purposes it is almost as if there were charges, since Assange had been formally arrested in the UK due to an extradition request coming from Sweden.

It's a little bit confusing, but perhaps I should have said the case, or the extradition request, was not necessarily trumped up. (Or it was, but for reasons that may have had more to do with radical feminism in Sweden than Wikileaks and the US)
I guess it was just easier and simpler to refer to it as "the charges".

 

Even if he does not get extradited, I still think it's important to go back and assess who exactly was to blame for this situation.

And how we can make sure something like this does not happen again.

What's the lesson to be learned from this?
(I don't believe the only blame for this comes from the United States)

 

Charges were never filed in the first place because the allegations were obviously baseless.

As I already explained to you, the first amendment doesn't protect membership in a group, it protects the RIGHT to engage in an activity. And there is no doubt whatsoever, among educated and honest individuals, that Assange's activities at Wikileaks fall under the definition of a free press.

He was engaged in activities that are protected by the first amendment and supreme court precedent. Exercising the RIGHTS enumerated in the first amendment isn't contingent upon credentials or status. Just ask the Obama administration. They looked for ways to indict Assange but decided against it because they thought it would go against the first amendment.

 

That we need the equivalent to the U.K.'s "Official Secrets Act?" Free speech is protected in the U.K....but so are the necessary secrets of the State (with Parliamentary oversight).

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...sia-ecuador-embassy-london-secret-escape-plan

There was an attempt to whisk him away from the UK but I certainly don't know why it was called off.