Trump ordered US drone strike that killed Iran general Qassem Suleimani

The world is a much better place for all humans including Iranians without Soliemani walking the earth. There can be no argument disputing that fact.

 

Who did that ????

 

Another pesky Tory still wanting the UK to be a 'global player'. Seems this is all a game. Enough! We cannot afford to have the toddlers out when we need to sort out the climate emergency.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/04/jeremy-hunt-us-iran-qassem-suleimani

 

The theocracy of Iran is flush with people for the progressive left to idolize.

 

That wasn't an act of war, it was self defense. The ball is in Iran's court now. This may signal that the days of training, arming and directing proxy fighters while sitting back safe and secure are over. I certainly hope so because it is about time.

 

You would prefer to have ISIS ruling Syria but I may assure you not everyone agrees with that. Are you still unaware of the high regard with which this man was held in Iran and by the groups he organised. I suppose you would be fine with another country killing all the people it did not like in the US and claiming the world was a better place. The US long ago now gave up on the rule of law and has become a rogue state. The UK to its debt is still sniffing around you but Europe now is moving away. Your only real allies are Israel and Saudi Arabia and the hard right Tories of the UK. Like attracts like.

 

I'm glad of the decisiveness of the attack. I just wished Trump didnt say "We got him" as he did...it smacks of "smoke him out" and other cowboy crap. It's the feature of America that isnt liked around the world. Arrogance.

 

Iran has already delivered a statement to the UN, stating that the assassination of General Soleimani was an act of terrorism and war and that Iran not only reserves the right to take military action against the US but will, in fact, do so.

 

Don't worry: you will get your wish. And then some.

 

Does not mean what you think it does.

 

Oh dear!

 

Dear Lord Baby Jesus I Hope So.

 

I would have preferred that our moronic President Obama had not pulled all the military, intelligence, and governance personnel out of Iraq in 2011 resulting in the tragic success of ISIS and the take over of Iraq by Iran. Soliemani is despised by the people of Iran. The cheer the killing of this monster by the US and use this as fuel to fire their efforts to oust the theocracy in Iran which only brings suffering and persecution to the people of Iran.

 

YAY!! Let's dance.

 

President Trump said he did.

 

Name someone he did it to.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ited-states-qasem-soleimani-trump/2804237001/
Fears of all-out war grow after U.S. kills Iran Gen. Qasem Soleimani

Some of the so-called 'experts' are rather stupid in their commentary as it relates to the most likely form Iran's reprisal will take. The most obvious reprisals are taking out any vehicle carrying US officials or military leaders from any airport in the region, using drones and cruise missiles. On top of that, Iran will likely engineer attacks on US forces in Syria and Iraq.

 

Well from what Jeremy Hunt says it appears it is the game of chicken and that the US will have known that Iran would have no choice but to hit back. I was reading about how his work was organised. I doubt it will make it less well organised. They had all that covered. Now the US probably has an enormous amount of people willing to engage in terrorism against them which it did not have before the murder - as long as we have no tears if that happens.

The US is of course the aggressor and has been towards Iran since it did not live up to its responsibilities re JCPOA

 

Jennifer

 

No he didn't lol.

 

While Jeremy Hunt basically characterized the US action as a reckless gamble that can prove to be a disastrous blunder depending on how things unfold, noting that a retaliation by Iran is all but inevitable, I will go further and predict here that this will prove to be a watershed event that will end America's presence in much of the region. Iraq is already reconsidering its relationship with the US, with hundreds of thousands of people in the streets of Iraq not only mourning the death of General Soleimani as well as the death of Abu Mahdi Muhandis, the deputy head of Iraq's Popular Mobilization Forces, but also demanding that all US personnel be evicted from Iraq. The US position in Syria was tenuous before and will prove untenable soon. In the meantime, US bases in the region -- in Bahrain, in Qatar, in Saudi Arabia, in Kuwait et al -- all present Iran easy targets for retaliation as well. Indeed, even if Iran's doesn't target them directly, from now on, no American official or military leader will be able to travel to and from the region without having to worry about an attacks similar to the one that took out General Soleimani. After all, sending a drone to take out a car driving from an airport isn't something only the US can do!

While the death of General Soleimani has caused enormous grief among millions of people in Iran, with the streets across Iran filled with tens of millions of people mourning his death, it will likely prove to be a huge tactical blunder by the US.

 

The constitutional republic of Iraq was never "given away" - I can't make sense of the above comment - needs something more specific.

This resulted in ISIS and the current mess in the ME in which Iraq was practically speaking a satellite of Iran

The above is a great example of a false narrative that is out there - and many believe. This is one of the narratives you will find in at least one of the History Channel Documentaries "The Rise of ISIS" - think that was it.

The documentary details the surge - how the surge dismantled the sectarian radical Islamist groups - Al Qaeda in Iraq -what we now lablel ISIS - being the dominant driver if these groups - in particular that ideology .. Saudi inspired Sunni - Salafist/Wahhabbi- radical Islamist ideology.

The surge did a good thing - many of the cities under control of the Islamist's (think radical strict sharia - and remember that not all Muslims are Islamist's - and not all strict sharia loving folk are the militant variety - radicals)

Many of the towns under the control of Al Qaeda switched sides. This group in Iraq was diminished greatly - and driven underground . The Doc does a good job of this.

We have to understand that this group in Iraq is a part of a much larger group - adherents to the same Ideology - Taliban, Boko Haram, Al Shabaab, Islamic Front (one of the large groups in Syria at the beginning of the war in late 2011), The militant groups in Pakistan and India, Libya, and many other places around the world - The Stan's - former soviet - Chechnya.

They are all united in their desire to have Strict Sharia Theocracy - Islamic Law - and a desire to wage holy Jihad to instill this system.

The Doc does a poor job of making that point - but OK.

ISIS is Decimated in Iraq. Obama pulls out the troops - It is not like all the towns that had switched allegiance turned back right away - but, they certainly had more freedom.

Around the same time - things are heating up in Syria - the protest movement The Doc covers the protests and a few other details - suggesting that Baghdadi and others are making moves. All True.

It then fast-forwards 3 years - and all of a sudden ISIS is the big ticket item. This is not the ISIS that was in Iraq however - this is something much different - and at the same time the same ideology. Bin Ladin is gone - new power structures are evolving.

This feeds the viewer the false narrative that - the issue in Iraq was somehow related to the rise of ISIS in Syria - an idea that is completely false and/or drastically under informed.

So what happened in those 3 missing years ? While the protest movement was peaceful and moderate initially - this movement was quickly taken over by the radical Salafists (Islamist's - following out of Wahhabism). They were telling the Christians to either join the movement to oust Assad .. or leave the country.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/...om-anti-government-protestors-in-syria-50104/

In late 2011 armed conflict breaks out and a sectarian war begins... the other side being led by Al Qaeda/ Al Nusra - and other groups such as the Islamic Front. Hundreds of other small groups would fight under the banners of these and others.

You have to remember that this ideology was keep in check by Assad - Syria is a Secular Nation with a Constitution that does not allow Strict Sharia Theocracy.

The Islamists Hate this - the Western Infidel is one thing - the dreaded "Secularism" in the cradle of Muslimdom - is a cancer from within.

The West backs the Radical Islamist Jihadists - as does Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, Israel - other gulf states - Jordan.

The US leads a global effort to arm, supply and support this radical Islamist proxy army - at the time being led by Al Qaeda - and a variety of other groups of the same ilk - adherents to the same cause.

The call to Holy Jihad goes out - tens of thousands of foreign fighters pile into Syria. At the same time - Tens of thousands of tons of sophisticated military equipment is pouring into Syria.

"A declassified October 2012 Defense Intelligence Agency report revealed that the shipment in late August 2012 had included 500 sniper rifles, 100 RPG (rocket propelled grenade launchers) along with 300 RPG rounds and 400 howitzers. Each arms shipment encompassed as many as ten shipping containers, it reported, each of which held about 48,000 pounds of cargo. That suggests a total payload of up to 250 tons of weapons per shipment. Even if the CIA had organized only one shipment per month, the arms shipments would have totaled 2,750 tons of arms bound ultimately for Syria from October 2011 through August 2012. More likely it was a multiple of that figure". https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-america-armed-terrorists-in-syria/


It's not like you move 400 Howitzers across the border in the backpacks of a few Jihadists - and that was just one shipment. The stuff left over from what war in Yugoslavia was shipped in - along with new stuff. A band of rag tag Jihadists can not fight a Nation State.

In 2 short years these groups took over most of Syria - took over the cities - which were thrust into a strict sharia nightmare - Dark Age - Midievil style - and pictures and videos all over the net to prove it - the head choppers had been awoken and given free reign - and the atrocities - war crimes - crimes against humanity are numerous.

It was in late 2013 that various groups and foreign fighters coalesced and declared a Caliphate - an Islamic State (IS) -ISIL -ISIS.

Trump mispoke when he said that Obama Created ISIS - correct is - Obama created the modern incarnation of ISIS in Syria. Troops in Iraq (there or not there) had nothing to do with the rise of ISIS in Syria. - This is Syria - not Iraq.

After the creation of the caliphate - there were two main groups leading the anti Assad rebels - ISIS and Al Qaeda. (there were some other smaller on the side but it matters not - these are just power struggles within the same organization)

 

Bring it on.

You broke our door, so we dropped a woodchipper on your most beloved terrorist general's head.

That's about the level of reprisal imbalance that you're guaranteed to get, so keep it up, and keep pretending like this is a game you're winning.

 

So you have nothing to back up your bogus claim.

 

It really is amazing. Democrats chastised Trump for killing Al Baghdadi, one of the most wanted terrorists in the world. And now they're chastising Trump for killing Soleimani, one of the US's biggest and dangerous thorns in our backsides for years. Iran, and this general, has been supporting terrorists for decades. I'd bet dollars to donuts that if this had been a Democratic President then they'd all be shrugging their shoulders not caring about Iran and cheering.

And no, I'm not saying Republicans are better because they're not.