Trump ordered US drone strike that killed Iran general Qassem Suleimani

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  1. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    sorry stupid mistake in post 777 above. It should have been Iraqi Parliament not the Iranian one.
     
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    So you think this all started with the hostage crisis? Are you aware what took place some years before that happened?
     
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    DivineComedy Well-Known Member

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    Most likely correct, but propaganda works best when the other side thinks there are sympathetic ears; it would be like saying there are no Arab or Persian agents here in this topic, you know, those that spend almost 100% of their time in topics about Israel. I had to see the aftermath of all the mass graves to believe Clinton was right to bypass the UN and go with NATO, and technically they did it:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/oct/17/balkans

    Who attacked the oil tankers? A lot of times we have to wait for them to claim responsibility, and sometimes they do it for stupid reasons, like this, Soviet Union collapses, can't let Reagan get all the credit:

    “How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen”
    “Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
    Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.”
    http://www.counterpunch.org/brzezinski.html

    Still Iran was warned, and so was Iraq. Claiming the war was only about WMD did not stop the Iraq resolution, it only helped the enemy or deceived them into believing it wouldn't happen or we would quit like in Vietnam...and all those places Al Quacka mentioned we quit in. Claiming Trump is just wagging the dog, and has no support, doesn't help either. Iran needs to get it.
     
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    Suggesting anyone who supports Israel's right to exist is "basically following the US-Israel propaganda narratives?"
     
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    A declaration of independence and the will to back it up.

    How they got there is irrelevant, just as irrelevant as how their nukes got there, nukes only become a problem in vast numbers between those hostile to each other due to the possibility of mistakes, and in the hands of those that attack tankers...and haven't got the guts of MEN to admit it.

    Squat to Leaks (terrorists) with nukes will be a problem.

    When any terrorist nukes a city, think we are going to wait to find out exactly who was responsible, or if it was any specific terrorist sponsor nation on our list, or just hit them all? I say hit them all, just because they are Squat to Leaks.
     
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    Not necessarily. Israel is a fact and even the confederate proposal I have outlined would include a Jewish state called Israel. But the current regime in Israel is basically a Western colonial outpost and part of parcel of the whole designs by the US neocons specifically, and the US and the West in other forms more generally, to exercise hegemony and control over the region and its geopolitical makeup. This basically involves attempts to subjugate the region and enforce regimes, borders and polities on it, that would be rejected by the people of the region. As a result, the whole project basically has involved, among many other things, various forms of propaganda warfare -- as well as a concerted propaganda/misinformation campaign for domestic audiences in the US et al to manufacture the requisite consent for these policies. The latter leading to terrible corruptions in American politics itself.
     
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    Muslims (and others) have pulled the same sort of imperialist BS. Do you condemn Muslims as well?
     
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    Not terribly interested in justifications or history, revisionisms.
     
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    "Neocons" designed Israel. Were they like US Egyptian neocons? Or, maybe US Canaanite neocons who just made up Egyptian living?

    Like Abraham crossing over from Ur, they are US Phenician neocons? Obviously the only book at the time for Herodotus to read was the story about how Israel got there from the Erythraian Sea down from the Euphrates after the flood of the Black Sea...
    "These Phenicians dwelt in ancient time, as they themselves report, upon the Erythraian Sea, and thence they passed over and dwell in the country along the sea coast of Syria; and this part of Syria and all as far as Egypt is called Palestine." http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_text_herodotus_7_5.htm
     
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    Uninterested in learning?

    IMHO, the Brits were a great deal more responsible than we were.
     
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    My post didn't say that the neocons designed Israel. It mentioned that Israel is now part and parcel (a centerpiece) of neocon designs (agendas) for the region. An agenda that is about US/Israeli hegemony over the region and reshaping its geopolitical map (and breaking it up) in a way that suits those designs.
     
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    Looking forward to the end of the human race, eh?
     
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    So get the Iranians to put some tin foil on their heads to block those propaganda signals, the designers must be transmitting, and quit chanting "Death to America...," then we won't hear it over and over and over again and have reason to believe the "propaganda" that Iranians need an Iron boot on their necks to protect the tankers...that were attacked recently by squat to leak terrorists.
     
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    You like the Walking Dead too? Man that show is so cool.
     
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    An absurd claim. Zionism predated "neocons" by decades and was successful because the UK promoted it (see Balfour Declaration).
    You're talking about an old style of colonialism that no longer exists in the West. Russia practices it in Georgia and the Ukraine.
     
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    That wasn't an answer.
     
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    You didn't get the memo?
     
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    I don't think he's on distribution.
     
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    Was that the memo that it was a War on Terror, not a war on WMD (which prompted the fatwas):

    July 1997, South Movement, "the path of Jihad and proper action": "Those who desire to face up to the Zionists conspiracies, intransigence, and aggressiveness must proceed towards the advance centers of capabilities in the greater Arab homeland and to the centers of the knowledge, honesty and sincerity with whole heartiness if the aim was to implement a serious plan to save others from their dilemma or to rely on those capable centers; well-known for their positions regarding the enemy, to gain precise concessions from it with justified maneuvers even if such centers including Baghdad not in agreement with those concerned, over the objectives and aims of the required maneuvers." (On the 29th anniversary of Iraq's national day (the 17th of July 1968 revolution). President Saddam Hussein made an important comprehensive and nation wide address) http://southmovement.alphalink.com.au/countries/Iraq/speech.htm

    One Iraq, Two Iraq, Three Iraq!

    September 2001: "Ramsey Clark, former U.S. Attorney General...David Muller, South Movement, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia" http://www.workers.org/ww/2001/call1004.php

    “I would have preferred that the President agree to the approach drafted by Senators Biden and Lugar because that resolution would authorize the use of force for the explicit purpose of disarming Iraq and countering the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.” (TEXT FROM THE SPEECH JOHN KERRY MADE ON THE SENATE FLOOR October 9, 2002 )

    “Let me be clear: I am voting to give this authority to the President for one reason and one reason only: to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction if we cannot accomplish that objective through new tough weapons inspections.” (TEXT FROM THE SPEECH JOHN KERRY MADE ON THE SENATE FLOOR October 9, 2002 )
     
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    It appears you never did, once again they found the WMDS and US soldiers got hurt by them.


    Once again some on the left love to blur the lines and never tell the real story, of course they found WMDs that where manufactured prior 1991.
     
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    Either are you , watching to much late night comedy shows for your news

    https://www.usnews.com/opinion/arti...k-times-reports-wmd-found-in-iraq?context=amp


    Do Reports of WMD Found in Iraq Vindicate George W. Bush?
    Adriana Scott • Oct. 16, 2014, at 5:45 p.m.


    The New York Times published an article this week that has re-ignited a 12-year-old debate: Was then-President George W. Bush right about Iraq? The report examined U.S. service personnel's encounters with abandoned chemical weapons in Iraq – and some conservatives were quick to pounce on the story as evidence that claims by Bush in the lead-up to the war that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction were true and that the United States' 2003 invasion was justified.
    The article by Times reporter C.J. Chivers focused on U.S. soldiers who suffered from exposure to the sulfur mustard and other nerve gases which emitted from the bombs. According to the story, about "5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs" were found scattered across Iraqi soil.
     
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    You quoted three questions and only obliquely addressed the last two by making a problematic assertion about Soleimani's importance to Iran's foreign policy.
     
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    Uh huh.

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    Have to stick with the propaganda huh?

    Some lefty's sure hate facts
     
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