American soldiers should disobey and refuse to fight in case of battles

iirc a soldier can refuse an order IF they KNOW it is unlawful. If its not then it could mean their lives in war time. And since the US has not, NOT been in a war for decades what you're asking them to do is guarantee their deaths. Granted, the court martial could just send them to prison...probably a prison that holds military deserters which are frowned upon by the rest of the prisoners. Meaning they may get shanked. So either way you haven't removed them from danger.

 

I watched it, and he had made that decision to not carry a rifle before he signed up. Period.

 

If you say you are going to fight, and then you don't, you are a coward.

 

Yup he made that decision before he signed up, you agree

 

Never saw it, I've only read about him.

 

Werent we talking about compulsed service?

Why would someone who doesnt want to fight volunteer for combat?

 

Hello,

I think American first responders should refuse to help you if you were trapped inside a burning building.

 

Good thing they didn’t refuse to fight or you would have never had the freedom to post such nonsense without being executed. Do you like freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion? Why don’t you take a vacation to Iran and publicly display your opinions. You would be beheaded before you finished your first sentence.

 

Yes, WW2 was an absolute humiliation for my country, but we were facing german at their full force, before they knew Stalingrad, not a bunch of native american, the challenge wasn't the same.
We would have spoken Russian, the nazis already started to loose in 1943.
By the way, I wouldn't have blame America if they would have not intervene in those times, but nobody can change the past.

History doesn't start in 1939. My country knew a war you can't understand. During WW1, 30 % of french youth was slaughtered, 1,3 millions of metropolitan french perished for a population of 40 millions , for comparison the worst war for USA was WW2 with 200 000 death for a population of 240 millions. In every city, even in small villages there is a memorial with the names of everybody which died in this war, that's a lot of names, BTW with the mention "died for France". Can you tell me the usefullness of this war excepted to cause WW2 ?

Considering all the people who died in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, can you tell me the usefullness of their death ? Because terrorism is far to be gone, and quite well alive. Considering all the veterans that are now homeless, can you tell me if there is any respect for their service ?

 

American soldiers which died in useless war don't have any freedom anymore, for a simple reason : being free require to be alive.

 

Just to be clear : I would risk my life for my family, yes, but I would never risk my life for a bunch of fat politician and a bunch of leftists cowarding behind the army.

And a bunch of vietnam veterans seems to agree with me :

 

Depends on your view of death. Some consider it quite freeing.

 

America lost 620k on the Civil War. Since WW1 we have lost another 600k. We have been at war almost constantly for 100 years. Fortunately, we haven't been fighting on home soil and taken massive civilian casualties. I'm ready to bring most of them home and let the world fend for themselves. My son deploys to Korea in 2 months.

 

I not only agree, I said I respect it. However, if you sign up to fight and then decide not to, then you are a coward.

 

I disagee with the idea.. if you're not willing to give up your life for America regardless of who the commander in chief is. Then you should not join the military.
When a person joins the military they are saying my country is more important than i am. The country is more precious than my life.

The only time a soldier should refuse an order is when it is unconstitutional or when the consequences are so immoral that they must stand on their principles and face judgment for it.

 

No, we weren't. The OP is talking about today's soldiers in today's military, which is entirely voluntary. Meaning if someone signed up for 11B it was because they wanted to be 11B. To change your mind once the fighting starts is cowardice.

 

This reminds me and I had to look up when the draft started


The Draft and WWII
On September 16, 1940, the United States instituted the Selective Training and Service Act of 1940, which required all men between the ages of 21 and 45 to register for the draft. This was the first peacetime draft in United States' history.

National WW2 Museum › draft-and-...
Research Starters: The Draft and World War II | The National WWII Museum ...

 

Is it no longer the case that someone can join the military expecting to perform a certain non-combat job, but get switched to the infantry instead?

 

What does the draft have to do with this?

 

I heard stories of that happening back in the 80's, have not met anyone that actually happened to. That was 30+ years ago.

 

I hope the best for your son and that he will stay safe.

 

Kinda like French police.

They should just stop policing and risking their own lives to do it.

 

Effectively, they're more and more ambushed and attacked. They have no reason to protect Macron, neither the leftists from the joy of diversity.

 

No I mean just stop risking their lives by policing.

Why should they risk their lives?

 

I agree with you completely except that in the U.S. they have only voluntary service. If they had conscription then your suggestion would be valid but ......