This Reality is America

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  1. stone6

    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wasn't it Reagan who cut federal subsidies to States for mental health care facilities? Helped off-set his tax cuts.
     
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    The rising cost of homes is largely impacted by the rising cost of government rules and regulations. Even at very low levels like neighborhood pacts
     
  3. HumbledPi

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    The reason the costs of homes in the greater Los Angeles, San Francisco and Seattle area is due in part to gentrification and rapidly escalating home prices and rents. Silicon Valley created a vacuum in which high paying jobs were created, rents soared, home prices went out of sight for the average worker.
     
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    You skirted the point. Epic fail. You previously asserted that jobless people or homeless people have only themselves to blame, that they are flawed.

    The question that I asked was for you to explain why hardworking Americans with full time jobs nevertheless qualify for for TANF, Medicaid, CHIP, SNAP, EITC, Supplemental Security Income, etc. I didn't say they had applied for it, I didn't say they were receiving it. My point is that millions of fully employed Americans are so poorly compensated for their work that they qualify for it.

    Your posts on this topic take a know-it-all tone, so I challenged that. I think it's a set of systemic problems, and rarely the fault of the jobless person or the homeless person. We can't all be as wise as you are, but fortunately we aren't all as extremely judgmental.
     
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    That's .2% even if that number is correct and that is PEOPLE not households. What is the proper number seeing that there will always be people who get evicted for a variety of reasons including they didn't pay their rent.
     
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    Because government sets the qualifying criteria low enough that they qualify. Do only "hardworking" Americans qualify? Define "hardworking" as opposed to "not hardworking".
     
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    Every example in the video posted in the OP WAS the fault of the homeless person, rather than "the system".

    If you quit your job- that's your fault

    If you have a heart condition, and yet you're obese and eating a steady diet of pizza- that's your fault

    If you have a child you can't afford, and you don't pay your rent- that's your fault

    If you don't bother to acquire any job skills while living the good life- that's your fault

    If you're paying thousands of dollars to live in a hotel for two years rather than finding a cheap place to rent- that's your fault

    If you live in a place where you can't afford the high rents, and you don't move to a place with a cheaper cost of living- that's your fault

    "The system" did not fail any of these people. These people failed themselves.
     
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    Gentrification us what happens when you have rent control. No one builds new rental properties. High priced homes result when your home owners association decided no homes under 2500 sq. ft. can be built in your neighborhood. And both of those things working together create a housing shortage.
     
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    None of that is affected by the overall economy. It is affected by local costs. We have almost no poverty here. Take this up with people in California and New York.
     
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    That you would apply those judgments to millions of people whose circumstances you know nothing about says a lot more about you than it does anout them.
     
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    Yep, I tend not to cut people slack. I'll leave the coddling of every kucklehead with a sob story to the bleeding hearts.
     
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    Just looking at things from a theoretical point of view.... how would you view an economy with a large number of slaves?

    Imo it is an unfounded assumption to presume that whom ever is willing to work will be lifted up. This is not only illustrated in the extreme example that I presented. There are lots of people in both the past and the present who are situations where they are willing to work.... and yet are stuck in a situation where their willingness to work does not in fact lift them out of their situation.

    let’s consider the simplest situation.... a company town. There is essentially a single employer who has no incentive to pay beyond subsistence.... and the workers have virtually no opportunity beyond what the single employer offers.

    if we simply look at our economic system.... do we see that only the rich are willing to work to lift themselves up? Do we see that wealth is distributed in accordance with willingness to work? Do we see that people have an equal opportunity to lift themselves up via work? Do we see that there are people who work hard and yet are not lifted up?
     
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    I merely said theres no economy that will lift up people who arent willing to work. I didn't say those willing to work will always succeed. A poor economy (such as one based on slavery as you mention) is one of many factors that can stifle even the hard working.

    The willingness to work is merely the foundation prerequisite to success, without which failure is innevitable for all but the luckiest of people.
     
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    This is just the typical lack of empathy that most conservatives seem to embrace.

    Most conservatives see empathy as a weakness.
     
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    Failure is not an option in life.
     
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    A booming service sector economy is an economy that will not create or sustain a middle class.

    The service sector once was the sector that employed teens with part time jobs. Who didnt have to pay bills but depended upon their middle class parents who didnt work service sector. Most were blue collar people paid living wages making what we consumed. Or they worked construction that were well paid middle class jobs.

    In my last year of college I managed a McDs. 99 percent of my work force was high school kids and I had 65 to 70 of them that I scheduled Today you dont see kids working in any fast food here in my area but grown ups. Paid a working poor wage. When the living wage jobs were sent to slave labor for max profits this drove adults into the low wage service sector.

    And this is why you can have a low jobless rate but people cannot prosper by working.

    You can have a disemboweled economy with low jobless rates with working poor replacing a middle class And the right side will claim success with the millions of working poor being scapegoats for an economy that does not create much of a middle due to high value jobs being sent to communists who supply slave labor for the one percent to max out their wealth .

    Perot was right and had the gop nailed. When Clinton and the dems joined the gop the time when hard work had value was over . As disparity in income impoverished many as the top 10 percent gained wealth.

    But we cannot all be in the small professional class and we never could. Making what we consumed allowed us to prosper and that was replaced by low wage part time service sector. This may as well be rocket science to the right wing and left wing globalists who despise working people .
     
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    Haha, another liberal talking point flushed down the crapper.
     
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    I don't doubt that there's a lot of hard-working people out there working dead end jobs, hustling to make ends meet, and not always keeping their heads above water, but I'm sure not seeing anybody like that in this vid.



    In that vid, I'm seeing people who are reaping the rotten fruit of the crappy crops that they sowed.
     
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    My SSI is $773.50 its less since I share an apartment alone I would get $783.50 in 2020 so where can I live and afford a place on that? We need true low cost options basic modest places people like me can afford to live rooming houses and low cost monthly hotels are fine but no one is adding that kind of housing just fancy apartments out of our price range.
     
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    Evictions... yeah. California dems have forced rents up to the point many people can't afford to live indoors. 2 bedroom apartment in SF- $3500 a month; $42,000 a year.
    Two bedroom in Tulsa- $700 a month. Around my area- anybody who is actually willing to work can have a job tomorrow, and wages are climbing steadily.

    I'd feel sorry for those having difficulties, but that's what you get for electing the wrong kind of management.
     
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    I watch the entire 42 minute documentary and it was an interesting one. The fact that nobody has a clue as to why this happens Donald Trump is at fault Donald Trump is trying to fix this.

    The story starts in San Diego absolutely not Donald Trump country in fact it's far leftist country. Where people probably in greater numbers support socialism. Venice what's socialism makes it doesn't fix this it creates this where skilled people are forced to live in their cars because they can't afford housing because housing costs too much.

    When it shifts to Appalachia, Appalachia was booming in the 1800's it was a coal mining part of the country. Now all the coal mines are shut down and that is absolutely because of environmentalism. the people don't move on to bigger and better things because they're just giving everything there is no motivation to move up why do anything when the government will hand you whatever you need. Yet another problem created not songs too but created by socialism.

    Then surprise surprise we go back to California. This time Los Angeles. Which has had our left leaders for the past 30 years who have created this problem it wasn't this spent 30 years ago.

    I'm the focus shifts to waco a town in absolutely Trump country where people are capitalizing on selling the homeless experience for 60 bucks a person to spread actual true compassion that will do actual true things to help.

    so I don't know how people can be this blind deaf and dumb without realizing they are. This is a problem caused by far-left ideals that is why Donald Trump won the election.

    Meanwhile have Democrats running on the foundation of making these problems worse.

    It's a wonder we've come so far as a country with people who think like this.

    And another thing that's funny it's a documentary is made by Europeans, Europeans are so fundamentally naive about this problem that they have opened up their countries to any and every third world there that wants to just walk in and **** in their streets and rape their daughters.

    Europe only has this ignorance because the United States has been bankrolling their defense for the past 50 years the text the living s*** out of their people and all of that money goes to social nonsense.

    they have no idea how to budget they have no idea how to deal with these problems yet they're coming here criticizing us for it.

    This is essentially letting the blind lead.
     
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    It isn't a "bleeding heart" stance. It's simple logic and knowledge of the precariousness of anyone's health, physical or financial, that forms my opinion about homelessness and underemployment. Your fate could change drastically through no fault of your own.

    Instead of fixing the blame, why not try to fix the problem?
     
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    I am. Just today I posted a job opening on the web. Anybody who can fix medical equipment, I've got a full-time 20-bucks-an-hour job waiting for you with sweet bennies.

    We're desperate for manpower in this gangbusters MAGA economy.

    Sorry though, if you're looking for free pizza, I got nothing for ya.
     
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