Looming Disaster - Trump Inching The USA Closer to Another War

The word “indoctrination” on Wikipedia gives this illustration...


Perhaps it’s time for history to repeat itself.

 

So what. So did Avenatti. I'll go simply off what you say on here, but thanks for the background.

Yes yes, America bad, even though it's better than every other country.

Of course Congress can delegate it's authority VIA LEGISLATION. It can't DIVEST itself of that authority to someone else though.

Creating legislation to authorize delegation, such in the creation of administrative agencies, is entirely Constitutional. As is drafting legislation to define the procedures for armed conflicts/declarations of war.

What Congress can't do is draft a law giving another branch the authority to draft laws or declare war (bills, whatever). This would violate separation of powers.

False.

Congress has the enumerated power to both draft laws and declare war. Therefore passing legislation in defining armed conflict they couldn't be any more in line with exercising their enumerated powers.

No, the Constitution does not "define what conflict is with foreign countries". You're welcome to point to it for me if you'd like to try.

You don't even understand the treaty clause, which is a function of the executive, not the legislative. They APPROVE treaties as a check on executive power....but foreign policy is a function of the executive. I mean that's just basic civics.

Thankfully Congress already dealt with that using their enumerated powers of drafting legislation as well as declaring rules of warfare as per

18 U.S. Code § 1091. Genocide

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1091

 

Turns out that the only thing that loomed was the Iranians telling us not to worry, they were going to send some rockets in our general direction for the benefit of their egos ,,, which they did ,,, published some pictures of whatever and as the Iranians said, the rockets fell short. The Iranians then announced the end of retaliation. I didn't watch TV last night, but I understand the pictures of the show sent your media into a tizzy.

Do you get a free spit shine with that brainwashing?

 

"Any attack by Iran on anything American will be met with great and overwhelming force. In some areas overwhelming means obliteration," President Donald J. Trump.

NPR reports, "Iran has launched more than a dozen ballistic missiles against U.S. military and coalition forces, targeting at least two military bases in Iraq, the U.S. Defense Department announced late Tuesday.

"The strikes on military and coalition personnel at the Ain al-Assad air base in Anbar province and in Irbil — at the center of Iraq's Kurdistan region — began at approximately 5:30 p.m. ET, according to a statement."

“The American people should be extremely grateful and happy. No Americans were harmed in last night’s attack by the Iranian regime. Iran appears to be standing down, which is a good thing for all parties concerned, No American or Iraqi lives were lost.” President Donald J. Trump.

Trump also said he would immediately impose economic sanctions "until Iran changes its behavior," called on other world powers to break away from the Iran nuclear deal and called on NATO to become more involved in the Middle East.

"Soleimani's hands were drenched in both American and Iranian blood. As long as I am president of the United States, Iran will never be allowed to have a nuclear weapon," he vowed.

This is surreal. This is our President. Geez, he is embarrassing. He really thinks this is all a reality show, and he is the hero.

This source helped with my report.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...an-missile-strikes-assures-nation-all-is-well

 

And the above is a perfect example of how misguided and indoctrinated you are. I never mentioned America, the US government is NOT America. Thomas Paine said it best:

"It is the duty of every patriot to protect his country from its government." - Thomas Paine

When you show that you conflate a country with its government, you've lost all hope.

You are contradicting yourself, when Congress delegates its authority, it has divested itself of that authority and that is prohibited by the 10th Amendment since Congress has no such constitutional authority.

Creating administrative agencies cannot include delegating authority. All such agencies must operate within the authority of Congress and especially within the confines of the Constitution, otherwise they are unconstitutional rogue entities. And unfortunately that is the current state of our pretend government, a host of rogue agencies, many operating with zero legitimate oversight.

"He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance." - Declaration of Independence

Again, only within the constraints of the Constitution.

i.e. the War Powers Act is unconstitutional. Delegating the authority to the Executive (Article II) to engage in hostilities with a sovereign state without a declaration of war for any amount of time is in fact a declaration of war.

I already did, Google any international treaty (e.g. the Geneva Convention, the Nuremburg Principles) that the US government is a signatory to that defines armed conflict with a foreign state and war crimes. As already explained, every single international treaty that the US government is a signatory to is part of the Constitution via the Supremacy Clause. All these treaties contain explicit detail. Do the research instead of posting silly claims.

Article VI Paragraph 2

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land

None of the above has anything to do with the point. You are utterly confused and attempting to confuse your own argument(s).

 

Of course, many are happy Trump backed down. He boxed himself into a corner with meaningless threats, making a complete fool of himself, but we are not going to war.

For now.

 

Okay, I will accept that. However, this thread is about the "looming disaster" caused by Trump, an issue Trump's fans wish to avoid. You did exactly what they wanted you to do. You went off on some tangent. I kept bringing the real issue back to the foreground, and you kept it up, debating the Constitution.

Trump's fans loved it.

That's all I'm saying. You want to discuss our Constitution? Great, start a thread, and I will join you.

 

anybody that thinks the Iranians will stand down for long is a fool

and yes ... trump is a fool

kinda sad

 

How did Trump back down? We killed one of Iran's most important leaders in exchange for a couple of meaningless craters.

By any measure we came out ahead. Even you would admit it if you didn't have a fanatical hatred of President Trump.

 

If the Iranians want to dance, I'm sure there are more leaders of theirs that will be sighted out in public by U.S. drones.

 

Bob0627 and vman12 continue in their attempts to derail the real issue of this thread, but I have already answered your question, post 329. More on the subject in post 336.

Also, consider this. Do you really think the death of Soleimani will cause cancellation of any plans the Ayotallah has? Is anyone really that naive? If anything, the death of the popular general will move the plans up, such as attacks on Iraqi military bases and the Green Zone.

 

My first focus is not the puppet, but the puppeteers. Recall a few months back the puppet would not allow war on Iran?

Notice how happy Bolton is about the assassination. He was outed by 45 months back. Did he find a puppeteer open to his methods? Is part of 45's role "scapegoat", depending on the wrestling matches of the puppeteers?

Have you seen the SOS, Pompeo ranting about the Rapture? Others imply Armageddon leads to the Rapture. What does history say the Rapture is? Does history say that war is the only way to get to the "Rapture".

I think it is more than WWIII that could start, it is the peak of an extinction oriented decline.

 

Another way to answer your questions is this.

How many people will die because Trump wanted to take out an Iranian general?

How many people will die because Trump won't admit he was wrong when he destroyed the Iranian nuclear agreement and imposed harsh sanction on Iran designed to destroy their economy?

How many people will die because Trump was too stupid to understand the proud Persians will retaliate and a disastrous war could be the result?

Like any true Trump fan, you think this is a game.

The Iraq war is a walk in the park compared to a war with Iran. Her military is intact, unlike Iraq's army after the Gulf War and a decade of weapons inspections.

 

You've forgotten 1991 how many people were claiming how awesome the "battle tested" Iraqi military was.

That worked out for them didn't it?

Ironic. In another thread you claimed that a single American carrier group in the Arabian Sea could turn Tehran into a parking lot (your words).

If that is possible then decimating the regular Iranian military would indeed be a cake walk.

So were you exaggerating then.?
Or exaggerating now.?
Your choice.

 

I don't know.

And more importantly, neither do you.

 

Don't be a jerk SoS.

I don't think this is a game. But you know full well that Americans love sports analogies. And as a football coach I could hardly be expected not to use one. You know that.

 

Any actual EVIDENCE than any Trump admin. believes in all the BS claims about Armageddon and the "Rapture"?

I consider myself a conservative Christian. I reread Revelation once a year. Yet I don't believe in what is often characterized here.

 

I disagree with your assessment that what I post is off topic. Case closed...for me anyway, for you please keep it open if you must. It's certainly your prerogative as it is my prerogative to post as I see fit and not as you see fit. And I will defend your right to post as you please within the rules of the forum.

It's also their prerogative to "love it" or not. I could care less what "Trump's fans" feel about what I post.

I doubt it. I haven't seen one single post from you in this thread that I started over 2 years ago:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/proposed-constitutional-amendments.507699/

But please by all means, chime in. I started the thread for a reason, to discuss the topic I initiated.

But anyway, back to the "looming disaster". Oh yeah, I was discussing what led up to it, the shredding of the Constitution. We've had 3 consecutive war criminal Presidents and one could easily make the case that we've had 3 consecutive war criminal Presidents prior to these 3 criminals. And so the beat goes on until either one these narcissistic sociopaths causes a mass extinction or they are stopped somehow. This latest one is making critical decisions without regard to consequences in order to try to distract from his Impeachment, that's plainly obvious. And CONgress is letting him do what he wants despite that he's been Impeached. Worse, he has a bunch of bootlickers in the Senate who are working with him to get him acquitted. And even worse, they're announcing to the world that they have no intention of conducting a fair trial well ahead of the trial. What kind of "government" is this? A Republic as guaranteed in Article IV Section 4? This is what I'm talking about, there's nothing constitutional about this government and Trump is the proverbial cherry on the cake. Our founders had a suggestion ... it's quoted in my signature.

 

Hahaha! Oh no war! What war? I guess it is like that economic collapse that was promised.

 

Hillary's comin' ....

Financial collapse comin'....

Stock market crash comin'....

Stormy Daniels comin' ....

Avenatti's comin' ....

Maxine Water's comin' ....

Schiff's comin' ....

Michael Cohen's comin' ....

Strzok's comin' ....

Mueller's comin' ....

The press is comin' ....

Nancy Pelosi's comin' ....

Schumer's comin' ....

Iranians comin' ....

Whole lotta comin' goin' on!

 

Of course there would be nothing more than occasional slips.

Mr. Pompeo talks about the rapture. “We will continue to fight these battles,” he said at a “God and Country Rally” in 2015, because there is a “never-ending struggle” until “the rapture.”" https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/30/us/politics/pompeo-christian-policy.html

John Bolton

"Although a Catholic, he also is very close to those evangelicals who believe that supporting Israel’s expansion will help to speed up the second coming of Christ and, consequently, Armageddon." v" https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/trump-and-the-neoconservatives/

That is enough to make me uncomfortable, especially when no one knows what the rapture is but thinks humanity has to go through Armageddon to get to it.

 

Welcome to the new normal in the Trump era, where having missiles launched at US military installations by Iran is considered no big deal.

 

Trump supporters are loyal to Trump, not the constitution. And they will happily contort themselves into tortuous knots just to defend their dear leader, who is nothing more than a coastal liberal that supports gun control, huge deficits, and big government.

 

The result of Trump's strike on Soleimani...

-Soleimani is immediately replaced by an Iranian hardliner
-US suspends anti-ISIS operations inside Iraq
-US warns all Americans to leave Iraq immediately
-Iraqi parliament votes to expel all US forces in Iraq
-Israel and other allies distance themselves from the strike
-Iran launches missiles at a US military base

Trump supporters: Huge success! Trump is a genius!

Reasonable people:

 

Do Trump supporters not know what a war is? Do they think small wars or asymmetric wars are not still wars?