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Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by gabmux, Jan 9, 2020.

  1. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    I would flee north if it came to that, I guess. Canada would be a nicer place to hide out in than Mexico, anyway :p
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yep. No gas chambers needed. Plenty of armed red hats. Probably not all that many armed liberals, so would not be that much of a fight.
    Once Trump can legally decree that Democrats are criminals and are the true enemies of the state,
    all will be given a choice....wear red hat or death. I'm guessing you're a red hat.
     
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    The historical comparison has a number of similarities to Trump's America, with one HUUUUUUUGE difference. Germans were truly suffering in the crippling aftermath of their crushing WW1 defeat. They were beaten up, humiliated, exploited and powerless so its not surprising they responded to the Germany First ultra nationalist bullshit as the severe reaction of a people with the rich and proud heritage of the Germans. Hitler's criminality was well known before he became Fuhrer. The perversion of nazism had yet to be truly expressed until it was too late, but it doesn't excuse or exonerate their support (explicit or tacit) of the slime.

    OTOH, America has been on top of the world for 7 decades. the most powerful, richest nation in the history of human civilization.

    In trump's America the "oppressed" are in fact the people holding the lion's share of the wealth and power of the nation. In trumpland this perceived "oppression" and existential threat is predicated on ethnic bigotry. That is not to say all trumpians are bigots, just like its known that all nazis weren't virulent racists (however they were virtually all still slime). Given the facts it seems a pretty different kind of corruption of national democratic values.
     
  4. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It sounds like you live in the city. Its pretty common for folks out in the country to have all that stuff covered. Well water, generator/solar, money/gold in a safe... remember, a lot of these folks are preppers who've been worried about and preparing for potential 'grid down' socioeconomic collapse for years. Self sufficiency is a part of their lifestyle.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I did. But it doesnt seem like you are.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you truly believed that, why not arm yourself?
     
  7. ImNotOliver

    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    The NRA’s purpose is to sell more guns.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The NRA has been defunct for nearly a year. No one will process their finances.

    Yet gun sales are still at an all time high.

    If their purpose was selling guns, they didn't do a very good job considering how well guns seem to sell themselves ;)
     
  9. gabmux

    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes. I hope I did not imply the situations were identical. I'm merely observing the progression of events that took place which eventually gave him absolute power.
    I believe that the ultimate goal of McConnell/Trump alliance is plenary power. Perhaps they are getting close and can no longer be stopped.
    There are still a few events that must occur naturally (or be staged) in order to complete the process. I'm just looking ahead to see what's coming next.
     
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  10. hellofromwarsaw

    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    All of them, if and when you people try to rise up for some silly misinformed reason. Background checks and even no more manufactured military style weapons for civilians is not the end of the world.
     
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    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    And anyway Germany had recovered from the war by the time the GOP wreck the world economy in 1929. right-wing reaction and nationalism is pretty typical of what happens after world depressions. See the 1930s and now for example. Wake up and smell the coffee people
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have a few lying around the house collecting dust...and a few boxes of ammo. But spending the rest my life
    watching my back or trying to pick off a few guys in a sea of red hats does not sound like freedom to me.
     
  13. modernpaladin

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    Depends on what you consider 'rising up.'

    To some, merely staying home and saying 'Im not turning in my guns' is 'rising up.'

    To others, it would be assaulting the state house and murdering legislators. Which would certainly turn the whole of the military and 99% of the populace against the perpetrators.

    To reasonable Americans, I think the moral high ground will always be against those who initiate violence. In the subject of gun control, that means resistors have to let enforcers fire first.

    Consider this hypothetical scenario:
    A small town of mostly pro-gun rights advocates, supported by their locally elected Sheriff, refuse to allow the ATF to enforce a recently passed ban on AR-15s in their town until a suit against the new law is heard before the supreme court. The ATF attempts to enforce the ban anyway, and the Sheriff, as Chief Law Enforcement Official in that jurisdiction, arrests the ATF agents and transports them back across the County line, where they're released.
    The next day, the ATF attempts a raid on the Sheriffs office to arrest him, but a firefight breaks out and a Sheriffs Deputy, two ATF agents and three volunteer militiamen are killed. the remaining ATF agents are forced to withdraw, the town begins barricading its streets and patrolling its borders with armed, deputized citizens, and the Sheriff make a public announcement that all attempts to confiscate firearms in his jurisdiction must be approved and coordinated through his department or will be repelled with the full force of the lawful authority of his office.

    Is this 'rising up'? Who is the aggressor here? If the governor calls in the National Guard to force the town to surrender and disarm, and kill all who resist, do you think they'll follow those orders?
     
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    An attempt at humor, being the first response to a question about Hitler.

    Where did I say that was the only motivation? After my flippant Godwin's Law reference I did acknowledge that the question was legit and answered the question.
     
  15. modernpaladin

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    First off, its not very safe to have them just lying around. I hope that means you never have children at your house, and theres no chance of you getting burglarized... If you live in my state, you could be charged with a crime if someone steals your unsecured firearm and commits crime with it.

    But anyway, what is freedom if its not defending what you believe in, even to the death? You could try and convince some of your anti-Trump friends and neighbors to arm themselves, train up and help you fend off this innevitable Trumpocalypse...
     
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    I recognized that many people on the left associate current events with Hitler. Personally, I find Trump to be a run of the mill politician but for his lack of polish. If you took the OP to be a comment on current events my first (flippant) response gains validity.
     
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    Exactly why I included the caveat about it not relating to modern political circumstances.
     
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    Possibly someone will invent an autonomous vehicle with red hat detecting equipment and gun aiming mechanisms. Just turn the thing loose and let it do the worrying and work.
     
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    Lol. Possibly. It would take someone with your expertise.
     
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    Why prog solutions always seem to backfire...?

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    No they are unloaded, trigger locked and out of site, but lying around collecting dust in the sense that I forget they are even there. Have to tell you though that most of the red hat neighbors around me have theirs loaded sitting on the kitchen table or standing next to the door and in their favorite hidden spots ready to go...and of course under the front seat in their pickup.
    I don't have any anti-Trump friends and the ones that I do have are pro-Trump. True freedom is quite simply peace of mind...it requires no action at all.
     
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    Is it your friends you forsee coming to kill you then? If all your friends are pro-Trump, I guess I dont understand why you think Trumpers are such a threat...
     
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    I don't think anyone outside of the GOP propaganda machine believes that law-abiding citizens will ever have anything confiscated. Maybe some felons. That's what I'm saying about you being misinformed. Actually fear mongered all to hell...
     
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    Although that seems to be reality, I don't believe humans exist for no other reason than to continuously kill each other off. It's just something they have to grow out of. Just wish they would grow up a little sooner. But instead they put an adolescent in charge of a country. That's the threat of the Trumpers'.
     
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    Fair enough.

    So why do you think folks get so bothered when militias form up saying 'you can't take our guns!' if no one is going to take their guns? Whats so threatening about them sitting out there waiting for a fight that you know won't come?
     

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