"New York State gets back 90 cents for each dollar it sends to D.C."

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  1. mdrobster

    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    That is not the argument in the post I replied on.
     
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    2 words......Wall Street.
     
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    Then you are endorsing the very economic concepts that you verbally oppose in arguments supporting free enterprise as a solution
     
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    So because Wall Street is in NYC residents of NY State have to subsidize States where Wall Steet isn't? How does that work?
     
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    And as Sanskrit so adeptly pointed out: The people paying, complaining, and receiving are all swimming in the same statistical pot. You can't affix your labels at such a global level.

    A lot of the federal money in many of the "receiving" states comes from the fact that the federal government owns substantial portions of the land in the state. That does not translate to a cash transfer directly from wealthy New Yorkers to poor complaining New Mexicans and Alaskans. (NY is .3% federally owned, New Mexico is 35% and Alaska is a whopping 61%)

    It comes from the fact that the Federal government is selling resources to a company based in NY and New Mexico and Alaska get a cut. New Mexico's 2019 cut was $1,165,963,636. That's a lot of cheddar for in state resources but paid for by out of state sources.
     
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    Well, they say they do, but just like other supposed conservative principles, in reality they endorse that which they say they hate; lack of fiscal restraint, abandonment of family values, little concern for deficits /debt, judicial activism, strong Executive, and as we see here, endorsing socialist concepts
     
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    I can't parse that. Which "very economic concepts" am I simultaneously endorsing and verbally opposing?"

    I've only talked about your perceived opposition to redistribution, and your claim that the people opposed are also the people that reap the most benefit. You're looking at this situation and coming to the conclusion that they are wrong to oppose. I'm pointing out that it's quite possible that you're wrong about how they are benefiting. Who would know better, them or you?
     
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    I see zero substantive difference between:

    And:

    They are both exactly the same argument.
     
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    So now with including Pentagon funding, corporate tax, too many OBG's, public parks and highways, we can add Federal ownership of land in those States being subsidized as a rationalization

    Tell is now how Jersey, Mass., and Conn. get even less back than NY
     
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    The redistribution of income

    I am not opposing, rather pointing out the hypocrisy, the very people who loudly protest socialist concepts are the same benefiting from them
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You haven't supported your argument that they benefit. That's my point. You've claimed that money enters the state. You've claimed it came from people who don't benefit as much. Where's the benefit? Have you been to a Mississippi school? Have you tried to get health care in New Mexico? It's not hypocrisy if the people complaining aren't actually being helped. Have you stopped to consider that?
     
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    This would be a fun game for the red state / blue state folks:

    Deduct all of the welfare paid to minorities and registered Democrats, and see how the whole wealthiest / poorest states nonsense is turned upside down.

    You can do it county by county and city by city, too.

    It's not the middle class working man draining the system.
     
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    If you think those are the same argument, I suggest you take some more courses. I noticed once again you have to revert to hateful language.
     
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    Um... how does a State get back more than it sends in? By taking from other states, like New York. In fact, there is an inherent loss due to federal inefficiency, so every state should be getting back less than they send in.

    First of all... it's ironic that very progressive blue states would be bitching about this. I mean, it is pretty much your entire social platfrom for everything else.

    Secondly... how about we reduce the size and complexity of the Federal Government throughout. States keep more of their own money, and the Federal Government is limited to only the powers enumerated by the Constitution?

    I know, such a libertarian.
     
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    Welfare... for or against?
     
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    You wanted it, you got it.

    Problemo?

    Not really. Lefties will keep calling for more government, more spending and more taxes...
     
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    Rural red states are burdened with large Blue cities. Look at MS, AL, GA, etc. Sparsely populated areas with LARGE pockets of blue voters.

    Also, typically red states (TX, GA, KY, TN, IN, SC) have large military complexes.
     
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    More courses in what? How to communicate the exact same sentiment in different ways? Why is your misinterpretation my fault? How about you take a course. Maybe they will cover hateful language and how to spot it.
     
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    No. I’ve lived in Texas for 34 years. If Washington disappeared tomorrow, no one here would care.
     
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    There might be a parade.
     
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