"Virginia Democrats won an election. Gun owners are talking civil war"

I guess they plan to incarcerate the people they are not taking guns from.

 

So it would appear...

 

Note too:
They have no idea who has an 'assault weapon', and as such, even if they chose to enforce the law through confiscation of existing weapons, they can't.

 

True, and that's precisely why Saslaw's possession clause had to be withdrawn.

I'm expecting a slew of legal challenges to come out of this legislation.

 

What firearms? Mine were all lost in a tragic boating accident.

 

LOL - Good for you.

FYI, once this legislation is passed you'll have 24 hours to report your next loss after your next tragic boating accident.

 

You too?

Either that or they were sold in a private sale years ago.

 

Voting for people write laws you yourself ignore so we can all be felons makes perfect sense to some.

 

Why do you have an assault pistol?

 

Does the bill actually say that any type of gun that they outlaw will be confiscated? I was under the impression the citizens owning outlawed guns would be given options for a buy back and/or a nice tax break. It's a good start, don't you agree?

The only politician I've seen shouting "we're gonna get your guns" was Beto O'Roarke, and once he made that statement, you could clock what was left of his presidential bid with an egg timer.

Righties aren't the only Americans with guns, but they're the only American gun owners who seem to cower in fear anytime they hear anything about reforming gun laws. Y'all worry too much.

 

And I was joking back, although that is where I keep the Baby.

 

Righties see through the bs "reforming", see this thread as an example of "reforming"/confiscating or you go to jail. Funny how it's always the law abiding citizens that get disarmed, or did Virginia implement a Democrat lead stop and frisk law that is the best way to get guns out of the hands the ones no obeying the law of possession nor confiscation?

 

I've never assaulted anything other than ripe melons or paper targets plastered to backboards, and boy! were they ever sorry!

 

As an Independent Progressive who (mostly) sides with Democrats on the big stuff, I do not, however, walk in lock-step with the DNC. My goal is to educate my Left Wing brethren on the intrinsic value of the 2nd amendment, and how it is there to protect their basic freedoms. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. Here in Cali it's working more and more, even as the state further restricts gun ownership. On my last trip to the range I was pleased to see it full of young adult Asians and Latinos. Not gang bangers, just middle class young men and women learning to shoot. I didn't ask, but based on demographics, I would bet that they too were all left-leaning.

Your posts suggest that you get your news narrative from a single entity, be that Fox, or Breitbart, etc., all pushing the same BS narrative. Those outlets like to paint us Leftists as limp-wristed panty waists. You just nod your head in agreement and run here to post that we're coming for your guns for the ten thousandth time. Fine. Keep it up. It bothers me not that you hold a false view of reality.

Do SOME Democrats want to repeal the 2A? Yes. Just as SOME Republicans wish to repeal Roe v. Wade, and are making it increasingly harder for women to access reproductive health services. Who is repressing who? The truth is that some elements of each side are perfectly happy to repress elements on the other side.

It stinks, really. We are ALL Americans, and no side should believe that they hold the moral upper hand, but each side thinks it does.

 

Its almost as if you didn't read my post.

- If the VA ban on possession of 'assault weapons' is not enforced with confiscation, it cannot have any effect on the availability of existing guns, and by extension, the possibility of mass shootings.
- If it won't be enforced, and thus, ineffective, how can it be necessary to ban possession of said weapons?

Well?

 

Good for them, but I have no idea why a gun owner would vote for a Democrat. Whatever their personal views they will support anti gun judges.

Except the 2A is part of our Bill or Rights and guarantees all our other freedoms, Roe was an invention, as even RBG has admitted.

 

There is some truth to that. Except that not all judges in the state are anti-2A.

There is no "except". Roe v. Wade is settled law, and has been for nearly fifty years, and the SCOTUS in their wisdom, has refused any attempt to overturn it. And, I would argue, the constitution dictates that amendments can be repealed, just like laws can. Nothing is as absolute as you wish it to be.

 

All would probably vote to confirm a Dem SCOTUS judge who I assume wouldn't support the 2A.

So was Dred Scott and Plessy v. Ferguson. I have no idea why the LW is so afraid of the people deciding this.

It would be impossible to repeal the 2A, no way are 38 states ever going to vote to disarm themselves.

 

Again, your naivete regarding Democrat gun ownership is amusing.

The "people" already have. It seems it's you that has a problem with that.

I agree. Which is why I find your fear of Democrats doing just that so amusing. Reminds me of the NRA robocalls I got from 08' to 15' telling me to give them money because Obama was going to confiscate all my guns. My wife wouldn't let me buy any ammo then because of all the right wing hysteria jacking up the prices.

You got played.

 

Wouldn't restricting certain types of rifles that are equipped with high capacity magazines at least reduce the amount of carnage in a mass shooting? I know its a bit like trying to empty a lake with a bucket, but with the body counts in several of the recent shootings where such high capacity rapid fire weapons were used reaching new highs ever year, isn't it worth a try?

I'm reminded of something Amy Klobuchar said a few months ago about most AR-15 owners being simple collectors. I'm guessing that if a buyback or tax break were generous enough, most would turn theirs in.

 

Again - its as if you didn't read my post.

If the law against possession is not enforced through confiscation, the 'ban' does nothing to reduce the number of 'assault weapons' and there does nothing to reduce the possibility of mass shootings - that is, the ban on possession is ineffective.

If it won't be enforced, and thus, ineffective, how can it be necessary to ban possession of said weapons?

 

Mine too, if you happen to find yours check for mine, i'm still mourning the loss, it was somewhere in the gulf of mexico IIRC.

 

IMO a measurable reduction is highly unlikely, someone willing and capable of a mass shooting isn't likely to be concerned about laws surrounding magazine limitations for their choice of weapon, if you are willing to break the murder laws, pretty much all other laws are on the table. cray cray is still cray cray.

 

I worked for about ten years on an Emergency Psychiatric Unit for a large inner city and found that even in that restricted settling that the criminally insane can and will find a way to do others harm

Yes, the AR-15 is a formidable weapon in trained hands.
However, as I said, the criminally insane will find a way to cause a large number of deaths if that is their intent.

For example, the deadliest mass killing in America was not committed with an AR-15 or similar firearm but with a mere $1.00 if gasoline in a NY nightclub:

"Happy Land fire"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

EXCERPT "González went to an Amoco gas station, then returned to the establishment with a plastic container with $1 worth of gasoline.[2][4] He spread the fuel at the base of a staircase, the only access into the club, and then ignited the gasoline.[5]

Eighty-seven people died in the resulting fire."CONTINUED

Attempts to ban certain firearms have proven to be a divisive and disingenuous way to avoid spending the money and doing the hard work needed to fix our broken mental health system.
The only way to reduce rare but horrific mass killings is to treat the cause and that means making mental health care more affordable and assessable.

 

....given the tiny number of people killed each year with 'assault weapons' in mass shootings.