The boy who cried wolf

A general is a soldier. If a general wishes to start attacking our people, he's fair game. It would be different if Iran had sent over a Foreign Minister or Ambassador.

A few years ago, an American general was killed in Afghanistan. Nobody on our side claimed he wasn't fair a target for our enemies.

 

This is how Trump treats our allies.

The Post reports, "A week before Germany, France and Britain formally accused Iran of breaching the 2015 nuclear deal, the Trump administration issued a private threat to the Europeans that shocked officials in all three countries.

"If they refused to call out Tehran and initiate an arcane dispute mechanism in the deal, the United States would impose a 25 percent tariff on European automobiles, the Trump officials warned, according to European officials familiar with the conversations.

"Within days, the three countries would formally accuse Iran of violating the deal, triggering a recourse provision that could reimpose United Nations sanctions on Iran and unravel the last remaining vestiges of the Obama-era agreement.

"The U.S. effort to coerce European foreign policy through tariffs, a move one European official equated to “extortion,” represents a new level of hardball tactics with the United States’ oldest allies, underscoring the extraordinary tumult in the transatlantic relationship."

Trump is dangerous, and his fans know it. Their silence is deafening. On this and other threads they have largely given up on him.

 

You have been asked twice. I gather you have no news sources. I don't need to be told what sources you don't like.

 

So all our generals that attack people are fair game ? Given it is the job of Generals to attack people - and the people in high places above them = Diplomats - you are setting quite a precedent here.

This guy is referred to as very near the top of the food chain in Iran.

There is a reason for the millennia old Covenant against killing diplomats. Which is why the world is pissed.

I am surprised that you are not getting this ?

 

I gave you one RT .. for some stuff. I can give you others if you like .. Let me know what are looking for - as it depends on that.

 

Pray tell, does one actually have to acquire political gain, in order for their actions to amount to sacrificing lives for the sake of political gain? Do failed attempts simply not count, even if lives were still lost as a result?

 

This dance is over.

 

Okay, so tell me what those Presidents were trying to gain from war.

Not counting Bush and Trump. We both already know what they were trying to gain by getting people killed.

 

David Wurmser was a longtime advocate of war with Iraq in the Bush administration. Eventually, he got what he wanted, and it was a total disaster. Now, Wurmser again has the ear of a president — this time, Donald Trump — and his sights are set firmly on Iran.


An influential neoconservative in President George W. Bush’s White House who became a significant force behind the push for war with Iraq in 2003, Wurmser has recently been serving as an informal adviser to the Trump administration, according to new reporting from Bloomberg News. In that capacity, Wurmser helped make the case for the recent drone strike that assassinated Iranian Gen. Qassim Suleimani.

Wurmser wrote several memos to then-national security adviser John Bolton in May and June of 2019. In the documents, according to Bloomberg, Wurmser argued that aggressive action by the U.S. — such as the killing of Suleimani — would, in Wurmser’s words, “rattle the delicate internal balance of forces and the control over them upon which the [Iranian] regime depends for stability and survival.”


The significance of this is apparent. While it was clear that the neoconservative movement has powerfully influenced the Trump administration, Wurmser’s role on Iran is further evidence of the sway that neoconservatism still holds on the U.S. right — despite the catastrophic invasion of Iraq and Trump’s disavowal of the war. Second, it demonstrates that neoconservatives such as Wurmser still cherish a peculiar theory about Iranian society.

https://theintercept.com/2020/01/16/david-wurmser-iran-suleimani-iraq-war/

 

Quite the contrary - your dance of denial continues.

 

Trump didn't tell us this!

WASHINGTON — Eleven U.S. troops were flown out of Iraq for evaluation of concussion-like symptoms in the days following an Iranian missile strike that President Donald Trump had said caused no harm to American forces, officials said Friday.


The Pentagon’s chief spokesman, Jonathan Hoffman, said Defense Secretary Mark Esper did not know of the injuries until he was told Thursday afternoon that the 11 troops had been sent for evaluation at U.S. medical facilities — eight in Germany and three in Kuwait. Hoffman said the notification to Esper was in line with military procedures, which he said do not require notification of service member casualties to the Pentagon unless they involve the loss of life, limb or eyesight.

https://fox6now.com/2020/01/17/officials-11-us-troops-flown-to-medical-centers-after-iran-strike/

A prolific liar, Trump told us Iran was "standing down."

What a pathetic, little man.

Are Trump's fans going to ignore this, too?

 

Trump told the American people, "No Americans were hurt by the Iranian regime."

 

They were sent in for evaluation. You are really getting desperate for anything.

 

They were wounded by the missiles. They were sent to the hospital with "concussion-like symptoms."

If you want to call that "evaluation," be my guest. A person who suffers a shrapnel wound is "evaluated."

The point being, they were wounded and Trump lied to us.

 

He was not a diplomat, G. He was a soldier.

To answer your first question, yes. If some military force engages our military forces in battle, our generals are fair game.

 

Your being obtuse..

So you saying that Iraq, Libya, Syria, - should be targeting our Generals - and Political hierarchy - for conducting attacks on those nations.

We can add Serbia to the list , Nicaragua , El Salvador, Guatemala to the list --

You are welcome to your opinion - I just don't share it - there is a reason for the millennia old covenant against killing diplomats and those in the political hierarchy.

You trying to claim that Soleimani was not part of the political hierarchy of Iran is abject nonsense on steroids.

 

We lost a general in Afghanistan some years back, and no one called it an "assassination" or somehow inappropriate as a target for the enemy. He too was a soldier.

Libya didn't have the ability to attack our generals, but hell yeah, when we were attacking their nation, they had every right in the world to target our generals ... if they could. And during the invasion of Iraq, Iraq would have had every right in the world to attack our generals.

What I don't understand is why you think a general is somehow immune from attack. They are soldiers, under arms, in uniform. During the Revolutionary War and Civil War, marksmen would look for commanding officers to shoot at. In WW2 we shot down General Yamamoto, killing him. We also targeted Rommel, wounding him. None of that was deemed to be somehow inappropriate. During the Viet Nam War, Carlos Hathcock, a Marine sniper, stalked and killed a North Vietnamese general. Etc, etc ...

 

Perhaps it was not an Assassination - I don't know any of the details. If you can't figure out what is meant by nation states undertaking "Targeted Assassinations" as opposed to someone fighting in a war ... I can not help you further.

 

It was a Major General killed in 2017 by an "insider attack", a taliban militant posing as an Afghan soldier. Clearly, the general was targeted because of his high rank, but again, no one claimed that he was a diplomat. He was a soldier.

Soleimani was fighting a war, G. True, it was a low-grade war, but a war nonetheless, using the weapons of war. His killing was perfectly justifiable.

 

By the Taliban -- a general in Afghanistan - no kidding.

 

Trump didn't tell us this!

WASHINGTON — Eleven U.S. troops were flown out of Iraq for evaluation of concussion-like symptoms in the days following an Iranian missile strike that President Donald Trump had said caused no harm to American forces, officials said Friday.


The Pentagon’s chief spokesman, Jonathan Hoffman, said Defense Secretary Mark Esper did not know of the injuries until he was told Thursday afternoon that the 11 troops had been sent for evaluation at U.S. medical facilities — eight in Germany and three in Kuwait. Hoffman said the notification to Esper was in line with military procedures, which he said do not require notification of service member casualties to the Pentagon unless they involve the loss of life, limb or eyesight.

https://fox6now.com/2020/01/17/officials-11-us-troops-flown-to-medical-centers-after-iran-strike/

A prolific liar, Trump told us Iran was "standing down."

What a pathetic, little man.

Are Trump's fans going to ignore this, too?

I guess they are.

This isn't over. Iran is patient, and she will retaliate, probably numerous times with her numerous proxies. The Ayatollah is bent on making Trump pay for his assassination of his popular and beloved general.

 

One example of an assassination is when the President orders the kill.

 

False. Under that definition, Obama assassinated hundreds of people in Pakistan, Yemen, Libya, and elsewhere.

 

That is silly. Why didn't you use OBM? That was an ordered assassination by Obama.