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I believe that we are mostly in agreement.

 

I don't oppose any laws that attempt to prevent crime without restricting the law abiding from victimless activity.

 

A violent response against those that 'destroyed the capital' would be warranted. I think we can all agree those responsible should be arrested (which is state-sanctioned violence, especially when resisted).

If you're asking me whether I think all leftists should be attacked for the actions of a few criminals- of course not. Only those that engage in violence warrant a violent response.

 

The NSDP, AKA the Nationalist Socialist Deutsche (German) Party, AKA the Nazi party, BEGAN as a socialist movement embracing democratic principles.

Under Hitler it was TRANSFORMED into an extremist right fascist dictatorship. All of the original socialists were murdered by Hitler and his white nationalist thugs.

 

Liberalism is the antithesis of the extreme rightwing "conservatives" in our nation.

 

The collapse of the USSR and India obtaining independence from rgw UK,

 

Your answer can be found in the tweets of the IMPOTUS who called for another "civil war" if he is removed from office by the Senate.

 

The USSR collapsed because it ran out of money. Even communist bureaucrats won't work without pay.

Indian Independence was a result of the League of Nations stance against colonialism (global pressure against colonialism, really), Brittains debt from WW2 (of which India turned out to be a major creditor) and generally the unavoidable hypocrisy involved in uniting the worlds greatest powers to defeat Hitler's quest for colonialism of Europe while those other great powers yet held their own colonies. As heroically stoic as India's non-violent nationalist movement was, it was merely lucky that colonialism just happened to die at the movements height (I say lucky, but really they'd been at it for about a hundred years, so really they just outlasted it...).

 

Just can't stop moving the goalposts?

There were SUCCESSFUL REVOLTS WITHOUT ARMS overthrowing oppressive regimes in BOTH instances which is the ONLY CRITERIA that you ORIGINALLY DEMANDED!

 

But here's the point. Powerful people can easily block anyway that will reach to them . I can't say that I can specifically point to jews because it's sort of impossible for us ordinary people .
But what we can do is connecting the dots. Let's go way back to the time that Mohammad (Islam prophet) had so many problems with jews. He specifically pointed out that they were some really wealthy and powerful people. He even changed the point to which one should turn in praying from Jerusalem to Mekka as the result of his political issues with the jews.
And then to JFK he specifically explained his fascination with Hitler in his hand written diary. And if you listen to his last speeches he was starting some serious talks about federal reserve and he signed an executive order to take the doller from them and they killed him. Of course they took the blame on some one else but years later his innocence was proven.
And the other thing we all know that Hitler was a professional spokesman and he could explain very complicated issues by his words and his elite body language. Without a doubt he explained these ideologies for his people and german people was really worshiping him . I mean look at his rallies he walks through thousands of people without any fear. What leader can do that nowadays. And everyone silenced and focused on what he has to say .
Of all his speeches you can't find more 3 hours. Why is that . All we are hearing is that hitler killed the jews but there is nothing of his words describing his reason . That's because Hitler's enemies was so fearful that calssified all his speeches right away.
I mean the Nazis were so firm on their ideology that they didn't surrender to the last man . The war was over, allied forces was IN germany but they didn't surrender . In every town that americans arrived in germany they encountered with Nazis who commited suicide because the knew that americans are hours away.
I believe the reason that the Nazis didn't surrender was that they wanted to send this massage to the future generations that we are the good ones here. Because they knew that allied forces will portray them as evil as they can in their propagana. But they can NEVER conceal the fact that the Nazis didn't surrender.

 

This illustrates pasting labels to a political or religious ideology isn't especially helpful especially in a historical content. Hitler and Nazis were paranoid about communism and Communists which, according to labels is a far left system (from each according to his ability to each according to his need).

Hitler cozied up to Mussolini and his far right fascists to form an alliance with Italy. So where does that leave Nazis? I believe Hitler was an historical throwback to the age of conquering nations like the Huns. He would play the game from all sides. His right wing industrialists became rich under Hitler. The general population (socialist?) loved him because he elevated them over poverty and despair. Hitler wanted conquest and power whatever it took. He obsessed over the Thousand Year Reich.

Labels under Hitler fell apart.

 

Thank you for reply. If I may ask your opinion on one more issue. After Parliament was destroyed....
"the Nazis seized on the opportunity.This, they declared, was proof that the Communists were planning to violently overthrow the state.
The Nazis used Article 48 to put through the Reichstag Fire Decree. Freedom of speech, freedom of the press, the right to assembly, and restraints on police investigations were all suspended until the Communists could be put under control."
As in your scenario, "assaulting the state house and murdering legislators", if the extremest(s) were Democrats or made to appear that way, do you think the Trump administration would "seize the opportunity" and declare it as proof that the Democrats (those that you say are already deemed enemies of the Constitution and the nation)
are "planning to violently overthrow the state"?

 

The point is neither were successful because of the unarmed revolt. If your argument is that unarmed revolts will eventually work because eventually some outside event or situation will cause the oppressor to give up anyway, then those examples are valid. But in both cases, the oppression would've likely ended whether the revolts took place or not.

Are you suggesting we should rely on luck or time to protect our freedom instead of our ability to fight for it?

 

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This is just another in a long series of lame attempt to equate Trump to Hitler, borne of ignorance and an obstinate and/or intolerant devotion to unsupportable opinions and prejudices.

 

As far as I know, “Jews or Jewish people are an ethno-religious group and a nation”. Are there any other such groups or nations that are immune to abusing wealth and power over others? Doesn’t seem to be…at least not yet. If it was somehow proven without a doubt, that a person or persons of Jewish descent are directly responsible for all the grief in the world...past and present, I believe that would merely be a reflection of their own personal mental conditioning not dictated by their ethnicity/religion.

Do you yourself have some personal experience with Jewish culture?

 

I doubt it. And if he did, it wouldn't fly with his base, many of whom would immediately suspect a false flag, as such a situation, in the terms of 'political currency', is simply too good to be true. Remember, you're talking about the same president and support base where the bulk of 911, Oklahoma City, Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor, etc 'conspiracy theories' live.

Many of Trumps supporters are already expecting a similar false flag to be framed on them. While I doubt many are expecting the reverse, its but a very tiny theoretical step to recognize the political utility in doing so.

 

I too believe so. I didn't mean that it's a result of their religion. When I reference to them as Jew it's their group's headline. I personally don't care that much about any religion.

That I believe is the question we should get into. Here in Iran jewish people are mostly migrated to Israel. But about 40 years ago they were a significant minority. From what I heard they were mostly located in the city of Yazd a very old city (so old it gets back to alexander the great) .Almost every one of them was rich or super rich . Their common occupations were banking , currency changing and tradings as gold selling. They were the people who were born with a significant amount of capital as heritage and as you know if someone has the capital one can gain capital and for a wealthy person trading is very profitable. Exactly as hitler said about them :"They are the people without any land and they go where money leads them". I think that's because they were traders and traders go around the world and use their capital. And as you know one can't turn into jewish religion, one should born jewish so their capital will stay in the jewish hands hence referencing them always as just "jews".

 

Good to meet you Mr. Pag. You have much more education and experience than I do and you write quite well. I can learn from you.
Is there a specific question you wish to discuss?

 

Thank you. I believe only an intelligent person can say that.
Thanks for the questions you asked I look forward to more discusstions.

I think there's more from Hitler for us to learn.

 

Refusing to accept factually documented REALITY that it is possible to achieve freedom from oppression WITHOUT guns is caused by an OBSESSION with guns as the "one and only solution" to every problem.

Don't have money but you can solve that problem using a gun!

Don't have medications but you can solve that problem using a gun!

Don't have car but you can solve that problem using a gun!

Don't have a girlfriend but you can solve that problem using a gun!

Don't like your neighbor playing loud music but you can solve that problem using a gun!

Don't have any beer but you can solve that problem using a gun!

PEACEFUL nonviolent protests work to raise the minimum wage!

PEACEFUL nonviolent strikes work to obtain health benefits!

PEACEFUL nonviolent protests work to raise the minimum wage!

PEACEFUL nonviolent protests achieved FREEDOM in the Soviet satellite states!

PEACEFUL nonviolent protests achieved FREEDOM for hundreds of millions of people in India!

Guns are ONLY a "solution" to the gun obsessed!

The rest of the world KNOWS that it is possible to achieve FREEDOM WITHOUT VIOLENCE!

 

Americans of all persuasions were brought up on freedom and the belief in our country's ideals and democratic traditions. I can tell you that if trump and his nazis ever tried to do the same here, we would have a major civil war, and there are a lot more loyal Americans than trump turd polishers.
I'll help burn the place down before I let some right-wing or left-wing extremist try to turn the US into another totalitarian shithole.
We prefer to use the blood of tyrants to water the tree of liberty.

 

Lol...What's that? The bizarro world's application of Godwin's law?

 

This would make a fantastic wall poster! Maybe copyright it

 

Guns are a solution for when everything else fails. Thats all.

Liberty or death.