Proof that global warming is a hoax

The claim is that global warming is caused by industrial pollutants that spew into the air. If that's the reason then those industrial pollutants should impact areas local to them as well. Then why do countries like Indonedia, Vietnam and Mexico with bad environmental regulation and with some of the most polluted cities also have some of the most prestine beaches just a few hundred miles away? Wouldn't those beaches be affected before the north pole?

 

I don't understand your point. Are the beaches supposed to melt?

 

Wow. I am always amazed at the theories some have on this forum

let me understand your point

you say because there are still nice pristine beaches near known polluted areas means there is no climate change??
Psst. The beaches may be pristine NOW. But what happens in the next 30-40 years ??

just because the change is slow does not mean it is not happening

when the earth was first claimed to be round and spinning people said it was not possible because they could not see it or feel it

just because there are places not yet effected by climate change does not mean it is not happening

 

The North Pole isn't polluted.

 

Indirectly (and that’s just one proposed cause). In brief, substances from industrial outputs get in to the upper atmosphere, altering its overall composition and so how atmospheric temperature changes.

Industrial pollution have impacts at the local and regional levels too. They’re entirely separate from their impacts on climate change. Some industrial pollution will have lots of climate impact but limited local impact while other types of industrial pollution will have lots of local impact but not be an issue for climate change at all.

It’s a bit like when there is a fire, the heat from it can only be felt relatively close but the light can be seen from miles around. One source have two very different effects at different distances.

 

The whole issue of climate change has demonstrated a societal point, regarding how people look at the future. Right now, we have a large number of people saying the future is at great risk because of global warming. Some say we must take drastic steps now- so drastic that life as we know it would radically change, and would lower the standard of living for all people. They say that is necessary to save the future.

At the same time, the people demand more things from government, free things if possible. They want others to pay more, themselves to get more- and pay less. They demand we increase the attack on the wealth which fuels our economic engine to fund those things. They push the national debt higher every year, and have no problem leaving that legacy to their great-grandchildren. They push to allow all immigrants into the country- without screening out the people who would degrade our society and will contribute to crime. They want to release all kinds of criminals from jail.... they want to reduce the prosecution of many crimes..... they are demanding and getting reductions in limitations on behaviors that are detrimental to our society- gambling, lotteries, drugs.... and for all that, we see the quality of character of our people declining, their independence and freedoms being eroded... and our future existence in grave peril.

I'm asking myself why those who are terrified of global warming, which we have very little power to change- have no fear of and even demand the destructive behavior that is destroying the future right now, which is human conduct that is totally within our power to change.

 

Wow, sometimes it is better to be silent than to open your mouth....

What is traditionally considered an air pollutant, i.e. oxides of nitrogen and sulfur, DOES affect local air quality. Remember LA in the 70s?



The red color of the smog comes from NO2.

None of that has ANY relation to global warming, which is cause by the CO2 greenhouse effect. Maybe you should do some reading before you come up with "proof" of a hoax.

 

There is no argument.
Carbon emissions create green house effect which creates warmer weather.
This is just scientific fact.
Why do people even argue over this concept. I drive a car and am therefore part of the problem so I don't want to be too preachy, but hey, when the rest of the world is ready to switch back to horses, count me in!

 

Or perhaps- we switch to rickshaws, pulled by the global warming extremists? Surely they would volunteer for that.

 

Or just rude our bicycles. There is a reason that college educated liberals tend to live lives that are healthier and longer than average.

 

Ah, the old scare tactic -- paint anyone who doesn't deny global warming as wanting to go back to the stone ages.

You know, there is a middle ground. We CAN keep a modern standard of living while simultaneously reducing greenhouse gas emissions. It won't be easy and the transition will cost some money. Isn't a livable planet for future generations worth a little sacrifice? Or will "I want everything here and now" politics prevail?

 

College educated liberals (snowflakes) live longer because they have safe places and lamas to pet when life becomes difficult.

 

So you are saying that extending the lives of things that are detrimental to society is a good thing???

 

People should just plant some trees, be happy, and not worry about the climate change hoax.

 

Denver has a nice brown cloud. But it is dry unlike San Diego and LA where they get morning fogs.

The air quality near busy roadways is far worse than just a few blocks away. I think I have even read of studies that suggest that children living along highways, and busy thoroughfares even in middle class neighborhoods, tend to have poorer health outcomes.


The West Coast tends to be more pristine than the East Coast. A lot if it has to do with the fact that the West Coast States have long ago enacted stringent environmental protections. By the end of the year, the last coal powered plant in the Pacific Northwest is set to close. The wind is our friend. The pollution from Asia is greatly defused before it reaches us and we are upwind from the rest if the country. The East Coast is not nearly as clean. I highly suspect that is also the case in Mexico. The pristine coasts are on the west side, upwind from most of the pollution.

 

That's what I do almost ALL the time, been doing it my entire life. I also fabricate my own recumbents. How often do you ride VS drive?

 

Yes, our Florida beaches are just SO terribly polluted... Many of the top rated beaches in the country are in Florida, such as Siesta Key beach, rated #1 in 2015

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Climate change alarmism is a hoax and this is proven by its focus on scamming grant, regulatory, tax and other graft only in rich countries with malleable pools of money that can be milked while near utterly ignoring the countries causing most of the "problem."

It is one of the greatest "taxpayer milking machines" in corrupt Western bureaucracies, with 100s of corrupt datapoints in evidence.

Want a grafty grant at taxpayer expense? Make it "green" so you can call anyone questioning the scam of taxpayers a flat earther, denier or "anti science."

Want to get even more corrupt government contract money? Make the project "green" so you can call anyone questioning the scam of taxpayers a flat earther, denier or "anti science."

Want to avoid regulations and scrutiny of one's shell of a company with no legitimate business model and no revenues? Make it "green" so you can call anyone questioning the scam of taxpayers a flat earther, denier or "anti science." Don't forget to pay off the politicians once you have sucked all the money out though!

Want to raise taxes to make government power and the pool of graft money ever larger for the bilking? Make them "green" taxes so you can call anyone questioning it a flat earther, denier or "anti science."

Want to fool and scare ignorant young (mostly female) voters into voting for you towards "saving the planet?" Want to make consumers even more fearful for the future so they consume more, buy more junk from your advertisers and save less, keeping them dependent on and enriching government?

Want to sue some more people and enrich trial lawyers more and more? Make the suit "green" so you can call anyone objecting a flat earther, denier or "anti science."

Want to have a great tool for indoctrinating children into LW extremism via gov-edu indoctrination factories? Make it "green" so you can call any teachers or parents who object a flat earther, denier or "anti science."

The climate change hoax has served ALL of the rotten divisions of the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex very well throughout its 50 year existence.

If there aren't enough exaggerated problems to bilk the taxpayer with while enriching the Complex, MAKE SOME UP and get media behind it.

People are just starting to wake up to this scam in the net age, and not a moment too soon.

 

If I had a penny for every grain of sand on the beach then people would still make illogical arguments on both sides of the debate.

 

So we attempt to fix global warming by destroying our standard of living, so we can all live longer in stark poverty..... and since we tripled our already grossly overloaded national debt in the process and gave the bill to our future generations at the same time we took away all the industries and conveniences that made it possible to make a living, do you think they will be grateful? I think they would dig our graves up and stick our skulls on pikes besides the roads to exhibit what they think we deserved.

A problem that is present in nearly all the passionate social moves today is tunnel vision. They fail to look at the bigger picture, fail to consider all the things that will result from the urgent actions they would have us take, besides those they expect in their immediate focus. The next is that when people get a wild hair on something like this, they assume that nothing is happening and it should be done right now. That's not case, and it's not knowledge or intelligence talking- it little kid thinking demanding something who can't see beyond his own emotion.

We ARE, and have been working on this issue for decades. Forty years ago, a car got 15MPG and ran dirty. Today, the average approaches 30, and the combustion is far more efficient. Electric cars are now technically practical, and as technology improves the battery aspect of them, they will probably dominate the future. This is already moving to trucks, and is being explored in airplanes. All forms of fuel consumption have been being pushed to higher efficiency for a long time- and are steadily making progress. Furnaces in your home that used to be 75-80% efficient are now running 90-98%. That means they burn less fuel, and produce a lot less pollution. Building codes require far better insulation, and materials have made it not only easy, but required. Windows for example are now using E-glass extensively, which has amazing thermal values, and all that reduces fuel consumption and makes the fuels we do use deliver far more efficiently. The idea that we have been ignoring the climate is BS. How quickly such changes can be made is highly dependent on our technology, and that too is expanding exponentially.

That IS the middle ground; it is where we already are- the process has been underway for a long time and proceeding as quickly as our ability to do so will allow.

Failure to do this rationally (as in AOC's new green deal fantasy) would actually do vastly more damage than good, and a nation or world in financial ruin sure as hell isn't going to be able to focus on the technology needed to keep the ball rolling. That would be the mistake we must not make- destroying our own ability to solve the problem.

 

My bicycle is my primary mode of transportation. With the assistance of the lightrail I can get across town faster during rush hour on my bicycle than I can with my pickup. I am much healthier than most people my age. I'm sure the bike riding has a lot to do with it. I always maintain two bikes. A good touring bike and a rough and tumble mountain bike. As I've gotten older I find the ride is more comfortable the more upright I sit. I have adjusted my handle bars to for that purpose. I imagine that is a selling point for recombents, as one sits with a straight back rather than bent over as racers do.

 

Make your way up the Coast, all the way up to at least New York. Lots of ugly places along the way. Plus a lot of dirty beaches in Florida.

 

Take it from this lifelong cyclist, you owe it to yourself to test ride one. I have two very nice mountain bikes (I paid 500$ just for the Surly, "troll" frameset over 10 years ago) I rarely ride them. The recumbent is just that comfy. Also much easier to carry loads of cargo. Like to think I could make decent side $ selling bikes (or even just frames) but it's a hard sell in a small town. interesting website on recumbent info, fabricating..etc. https://sites.google.com/site/recycledrecumbents/home

 

I have no reason to leave Florida.

 

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