Educated vs "Non-Educated"

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  1. hellofromwarsaw

    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    If you don't vote Democratic, the GOP propaganda machine has done its job. it's time to try the Democratic way you've been doing the Republican Reagan way for 37 years now. Flat tax system give away to the rich and screwjob for everyone else.
     
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    Military people are still restricted by local laws. That’s why bases often have their own clubs .
     
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    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    If you can be drafted, you should be able to vote for our leaders. Period.

    I support the draft as a practical necessity. It has been used in peacetime, however, as a means of not paying our military a decent wage. My wife's parents (he retired as Col. USAF after 30 years) volunteered for many years to help military families living in poverty while the spouse was serving overseas--and this after the draft ended.

    In my youth, young men were drafted to fight a war many opposed but weren't allowed to vote.
    Agreed.

    I worked part-time as a kid from age 10, full-time as an adult until I retired, but I strongly oppose taking away voting rights from people listed as a dependent (spouses excepted). It's strikes me as social engineering.
     
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    Take a good look at what Hello posted as 'what other countries have why don't we' Perhaps that will clarify my response.
     
  5. LangleyMan

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    My daughter and grandson (Grade Eight) are or were French immersion students.
     
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    Without timely exposure to a skill, some who have a gift will see the door on that gift close forever.
     
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    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    When the Dutch or Danes speak English, I hear grammatically correct language.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well of course - and the reverse is also true. The whole purpose of a political party is to influence voters their direction - through what ever means possible. This is not propaganda so much although propaganda is used.

    We don't call it "Propaganda" anymore due to the negative connotations with Adolf. It was rebranded by Edward Bernay's back in the 20s (?) or shortly after to "Public Relations"

    One should also distinguish between influence and propaganda - propaganda necessarily has a deceitful or false component.
     
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    Sociology has many interesting findings - too bad we do not seem to value higher these findings in how we structure society
     
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    Excel has an underlying programming language and that's what people have difficulty learning on their own.
    I taught the course free for the Night School to selected students. But even when similar courses charge, most people learn better with a little help.
     
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    On Swiss and the Netherlands. Does mandatory purchase of something sound at all authoritarian?

    Coburn has been part of so many ideas you would have to be more specific.

    Choice is good. I’m fine with people choosing authoritarianism over liberty as long as those who want to retain their liberty are allowed to. On healthcare specifically, I’ve said before I support any hairbrained scheme that tickles your fancy as long as I can opt out on both ends. The financial contribution and the benefits. The fact nobody likes my approach is further proof of the authoritarian nature of all proposals.

    Since I am not authoritarian like the Roman Catholic Church of the Dark Ages or the DNC, I don’t propose a “plan” for everyone. If people wanted affordable care they shouldn’t have actively participated in making it expensive.

    For whom? Me, you, responsible people, irresponsible people? Why do you need any authority to make your plan? I figured out my own plan.


    See, this is where authoritarianism leads. In the past, not only was the common man dependent on the authority of the church, he was intentionally steeped in ignorance of the alternatives. I mentioned this option specifically in a previous post. The one you responded to by saying Democrats prefer market solutions. Have you any evidence of that yet?

    I’m told by proponents of socialism that cost sharing medical bills is socialist behavior. I agree textbook definitions diverge from that so I’m open to calling the practice whatever you prefer. The point is I’m not opposed to helping others, sharing costs, or creating and exerting bargaining power. I’m opposed to forcing someone to do any of the above against their will.


    Most will. I suppose medieval serfs believed they would always take the “benefits”, too. But along came Luther, Galileo, Locke, and Jefferson.

    Perhaps someday we will move beyond persecution of modern Luthers and Gallileos
    by modern authoritarians and a new enlightenment will emerge. Odds are it will end up with a new kind of authority taking charge though. :)


    Why do you think it’s so appealing to so many?
     
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    "We?" Most people dislike the guy and would happily vote for a moderate Democrat.
    Most voters, leaning left or right, pay very little attention to the BS (see above). Your generalization about Democrats is nonsense.
    What does "give it back" mean? Play Entertainer-in-Chief who talks trash?
    Straight from the Angry Middle-Aged White Male Rightwing Religious Traditionalist Open Mouth Media Echo Chamber.
     
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    ^^^ An angry liberal, still butt hurt from 2016. Probably one of those guys who cried on camera when Trump reaches 270 electoral votes.
     
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    But not dependents ? Like stay at home moms and your grandmother ?
    A student holding down two jobs to pay for his tuition and commuting to college ? Hogwash. Why not just say only republicans can vote.
     
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    Trump is a Russian asset, Moscow Mitch is the traitor enabler. That pretty much covers it. Republicans in general have moved from 10% to nearly half who think
    Russia is an ally. Yup, the gop party is a Russian asset.
     
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    Criminals always have the advantage over honest people till they are caught
     
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  17. LangleyMan

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    Coburn proposes to give everyone a voucher worth enough to buy health care insurance from companies who can't charge more for preexisting conditions. (It's not s big deal for companies to reinsure.) If you want a premium plan, you can pay more.
    Coburn wouldn't let you out of general taxes that pay for the voucher program, but you wouldn't have to use the voucher.

    Something will have to be done to make health care affordable to middle-class workers. It's my judgment the middle-class will vote out anyone who won't support making health care affordable.
    How did Joe and Jane American 'actively participate' in making health care expensive?
    Democrats have never supported collectivizing medical care.
    Redistributing income isn't socialism. The basis of government is redistributing income.
    Taxes aren't voluntary. What if some people decide they don't want to pay for national defense?
     
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    Criminality didn’t help Hillary. She failed at her lifelong goal and her reputation is trash.
     
  19. LangleyMan

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    I'm not sure how this explains why most people don't understand how the economy works.
     
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    There you go.
     
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    The political middle is farther right in this country than in most functioning democracies.
     
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    You running around crying "Russia - Russia" does not make it true :) - but don't let me distract from your fantasy land.
     
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    Russia knows more then our intel, according to Trump. Trump gets a hard on just waiting for Putin to call.
     
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    Seriously my good man, is there any democracy in the entire world who’s Conservative party doesn’t support the main ideas of our most progressives ?
     
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    Didn't vote for Hillary or Obama.
     

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