CNN's Toobin vs. Alan Dershowitz: What Side Are You On? Are You Embarrassed Defending Trump?

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  1. icehole3

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    Dershowitz is defending the constitution. He explained his position very well and CNN were the ones out of bounds. I welcome CNN embarrassing themselves more.

    CNN's Toobin vs. Alan Dershowitz: What Side Are You On? Are You Embarrassed Defending Trump?
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...u_on_are_you_embarrassed_defending_trump.html

    TOOBIN: That's very interesting, but what side are you on in the impeachment case?

    DERSHOWITZ: I'm on the side -- I'm on against -- I'm against impeachment. I'm clear about that.

    I think it would be unconstitutional. It would set a terrible precedent for this president to be impeached for these alleged articles of impeachment.

    So, I feel very strongly. I will make a strong argument against impeachment.

    But I'm not part of the regular team that will be making strategic decisions and participating in questions about whether there should be witnesses or not. That's going to be left to others. I have a specific role.

    COOPER: Are you getting -- how does it -- just specifically how -- do you get paid for this? How does that work?

    DERSHOWITZ: Well, if -- that hasn't been discussed. But if I were to be paid, all the money would go to charity. I will not take a single penny, a payment --
    transcript
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/2001/17/acd.01.html
     
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    I saw that CNN clip yesterday on YouTube. Dershowitz did a good job defending his position, not that he needed to be put on the spot like that. He opposed the impeachment of Bill Clinton. He opposes the Trump impeachment. He said if Hillary had won and were being impeached, he'd be giving the same Constitutional case against impeachment on her behalf.

    He thinks the impeachment bar should be set much higher than the House has set it, historically and today. He's an "anti-impeachment" liberal Democrat.
     
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    Well, if he did do that, that's about the stupidest thing I've heard all morning...(but it is early)

    How can he oppose Hillary Clinton's hypothetical impeachment without even speculating what she'd be impeached for??

    Talk about shooting yourself in the foot on day 1.... He opposes impeachment.... that's not an argument against Trumps impeachment, it's a general stance.... and nobody cares...
     
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    It is a general stance. He said he initially opposed the Nixon impeachment...until serious and impeachable crimes were revealed.

    He isn't saying that he is anti-impeachment "no matter what". He is saying, as a constitutional legal expert, that the Founders intended impeachment to reserved for extremely egregious "high" crimes....and that the tool is being misused with the bar set way too low, and that fact is a danger to the country.
     
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    The bar is set right where it needs to be.... A president should be removed if he (or she) abuses the powers of the office granted to them... We are there...

    His argument fails to convince... But I will watch his attempt to make it during the trial..
     
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    If we impeached on "abuses of power", then more than 50% of our past Presidents would be impeached (and probably acquitted). That's a weak accusation, which nearly every President could be accused of. "Abuse of power" as an impeachment charges weakens impeachment and makes a mockery of it.
     
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    I tend to agree with a law professor than someone who hates Trump.
     
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    What was Johnson's high crime?
     
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    2020 Dershy vs 1998 Dershy...

    SNIP
    “It certainly doesn’t have to be a crime if you have somebody who completely corrupts the office of president and who abuses trust and who poses great danger to our liberty,” Dershowitz said on CNN at the time. “You don’t need a technical crime.”
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/alan-dershowitz-impeachment-abuse-of-power-102153297.html
     
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    So you're saying he was lunatic back in 1998.
     
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    I just saw him live on MSNBC.... his argument is simply any abuse of power is not impeachable... and I would certainly agree that not all abuses of power are impeachable, but I believe some can be.

    There are levels of abuse of power and Trump's are at or near the top. Abuse that potentially affects our National Security and elections.

    Dershy is just being too general IMHO...
     
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    I can agree and I bet you could argue the last 10 presidents were in the area code too.
     
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    No question, the smear merchants in the LW MSM are targeting Dershowitz. He did an interview on National People's Radio last week and the prog questioning him couldn't get off the subject of the accusation of sexual abuse that was leveled at him. The knives are out...
     
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    I know it's hard to do, I watched the cable news 1 whole day with my wife and I could not believe how much hatred there was for Trump. You cannot say 1 thing good about Trump or you get a Cherokee scalping. Wife watches it non-stop every minute she can.
     
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    It's extremely relevant. Often times, what you'll have is an overcharge and then the judge instructs the jury "Okay, if you believe this is out of bounds, then here's the next possible sentence on the guidelines.". Should Trump have been censured for this? Absolutely! Would the House have legitimacy! Much more so than now. They did not exercise all remedies, instead they took the highest punishment.
     
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    Censuring is a joke... He'd laugh at it and so would I...

    The highest punishment is warranted for the highest offenses...

    It's not the House's job to "exercise all remedies", of which censure is certainly not one.. it's to determine the appropriate remedy....
     
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    It's full MSM war mode now.

    "écraser la chose infâme" and Toobin, too.
     
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    "The highest punishment is warranted..." So you are now advocating for the death penalty for Trump?

    The MSM is losing even more credibility.

    CNN can be relied upon to be the most trusted outlet to spew Fake News.
     
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    No crimes are listed in the impeachment.

    “Obstruction of Congress” is not a crime. And “Abuse of power” is not a crime. These things don’t appear in any criminal code.

    The Constitution doesn’t say, “high crimes, misdemeanors, and hurt feelings”.
     
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    It's truly ironic that you would post that ridiculousness in a thread about a man who has been consistent in stating that you don't need "technical crimes" to warrant impeachment... See post #11
     
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    Is that a possible outcome of this trial?? Neat-o.... Now I might have to watch it...
     
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    Technically, you don’t need crimes for an impeachment. But with no crimes committed, the impeachment is a joke and a political stunt.
     
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    And by 'technically', we mean that anyone can execute any legal action within the realm of the office they occupy. But this is most certainly headed for a supreme court challenge which will probably once and for all certify what an impeachment is and what it isn't.
     

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