"House Democrats may call new impeachment witnesses if Senate doesn't"

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  1. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member

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    This was not part of an impeachment inquiry.

    Nevertheless, Obama should have cooperated earlier, though this is a much closer call than Bonespurs' universal claims of privilege and immunity. And Bonespurs hasn't turned over scores of documents, and has ordered a number of officials not to cooperate.

    You don't do yourself any favors by trying to draw analogies to things which are not remotely the same.
     
  2. Creasy Tvedt

    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    It wasn't an impeachment inquiry only because the Republicans knew better than to make it one. That was a FAR BETTER case for an obstruction of Congress impeachment than the farce of an impeachment the Dems are making now. The judiciary was involved extensively, Obama's obstruction was blatant, it dragged on for years, and Obama ultimately failed in his attempts at covering his tracks.

    All of that is a slam dunk obstruction of Congress impeachment compared to the clown show the Dems are putting on right now.

    But, like I said, the Republicans weren't stupid enough to make even a fraction of the mistake the Dems are currently making with their 100% politically-driven sham of an impeachment.
     
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    All of that unwarranted hyperbole aside, the convening of an impeachment inquiry is an entirely different animal. Because impeachment is within the sole power of the House, it means that the House need not scamper off to the federal courts when a president ignores requests made during such an inquiry--it is already an act justifying impeachment when a president decides to obstruct the House's lawful process.
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    As I said before, you are correct, the House does not have to use the courts to give their impeachment even a hint of legitimacy. The House is well within their rights to skip the courts, and push through a blatant farce of an impeachment. You just bombard a President with frivolous subpoenas, and when the President steps into the obstruction trap, BOOM, you skip the courts, and go straight to a sketchy, politically-motivated "obstruction of Congress" impeachment.

    I certainly hope you'll remember this in the future when(not if) this same farce will be run on a Democrat President.

    I'm sure you'll rush to the defense of the sham impeachment process with every bit as much enthusiasm as you are now.
     
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    LMAO

    At commander dumbass's tweet this morning saying that Dems "didn't want John Bolton" to testify in the House proceedings.

    :roflol:

    commander dumbass (and the republican traitors in Congress) is SCARED TO DEATH over the prospect of Bolton testifying under oath.

    Keep THE HEAT on turtle-face and the other republican TRAITORS in the Senate, Chuck... :thumbsup: :flagus: :democrat:
     
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    Bravo. Excellent long winded non-answer.

    By the way, shouldn't everyone be concerned with feeding their family and growing their retirement? As far as morality goes, to each their own. I don't see anyone screaming about morality when Cali allows MS13 to go on murder sprees while condemning Trump for calling them animals. You would be fine outlawing AR-15s that kill a couple hundred a year meanwhile doing nothing about the corruption in Chicago that allows at least twice as many to be murdered in that city alone. Where were you when Obama was fanning the flames of prejudice by blacks?

    I would still like to hear an answer to the question: Guilty of what?
     
  7. Egoboy

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    No argument here.. if Trump had complied with just some of the subpoenas, we wouldn't be here...yet...
     
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    The House 'clamor' hasn't got anything to do with anything. The House Democrats, regardless of your point of view, have already done what they can to try to destroy the Trump presidency. They have no (NO) voice about what happens now in the Senate -- none (NONE)! They can sputter and spew, throw tantrums, and make threats -- but the House of Representatives is that House of Representatives... and the Senate is the Senate... just like THAT....

    But, if the House Democrats fail to achieve the desired destruction with the current load of delusional crap they've dreamed up, but then want to go back and create some more articles of impeachment, that's entirely their affair.... After all, the government has nothing better to do.... :lonely:
     
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    Oh boy,

    Do we need anymore help from the Democrats to re-elect President Trump, or what? :roflol:
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do we need to know what went on in Burisma and what ole Joe Bite_me and Jr. know, and when did they know it?
     
  11. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ah but if at first you don't succeed, you bite and bite again is democrats' motto.
     
  12. Egoboy

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    Not as urgently...
     
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    I insist.
     
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    If Trump did that, bye-bye privileged communications between the President and his advisors. Forever. Is that what you want?

    Them Democrats know not what they' doing but then again, was it not for Harry Reid, today we'd have no SCOTUS stacked in Conservatives favor :applause:
     
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    Correct. If the House had gone to the courts in an effort to get some actual subpoenas that would've legally compelled Trump to comply, we wouldn't be here.

    Because the Dems would've been laughed out of those courts, and their farce impeachment would've collapsed.

    The Dems understood that full well, which is why they chose to skip the courts, and shove through a sham impeachment with ZERO judiciary legitimacy behind it.
     
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    The court would have "laughed"?

    The one decision out there runs quite contrary to your, uh, "opinion". That court basically called the WH's arguments baseless.

    Would you like to read it?
     
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    The Dems were too scared to take it to the courts, so I guess it's pointless to speculate, right?
     
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    There was no time to waste waiting for the courts, right? :D
     
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  19. Egoboy

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    Ridiculous claim..... there's always the (future) attempt at EP, which CANNOT be used to further an illegal or power abusive act..

    Why couldn't Donnie just play by the rules?

    Oh....... right.....
     
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    Haven't been laughed out of court yet.... The judge that found in favor of the McGahn case in November certainly was only laughing at the Trump argument of "absolute immunity"

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/11/mcgahn-testify-subpoena-absolute-immunity-ruling

    Why is it you people don't include the McGahn case in the impeachment process? They are absolutely connected...
     
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  21. Egoboy

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    I guarantee you they would not like to read it... Heck, I've never read the whole decision, but I understand the gist...
     
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    Is that’s why you’ve decided he must be impeached before he was inaugurated?
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Cos it is not our objective to impeach President Trump. It is yours.
     
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    Yea and said just claim executive privilege. Dang you sure try to spin some losses.
     
  25. Egoboy

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    True, but not knowing the flow and connections of various news stories is your black hole... You support your fellow travelers not knowing that there has already been a court decision on Congressional subpoena power in connection with impeachment?

    You may not agree with it, but you should know about it.

    I can't think of any excuses that work for not knowing that... even Breitbart had the story..
     

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