Israel intelligence helped US kill Soleimani

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  1. Pisa

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    Read the article in the link posted by Iranian Monitor for the meaning of "evangelical" in the context.

    Modern Zionism long predates WWI. It flourished in Eastern Europe in the 19th century, among both secular and religious Jews.

    The flame, strawman, red herring and hasty generalization notwithstanding, communism is not about elimination of all states. Communist politicians were - some still are, see Cuba or China - ultra-nationalists.

    I wasn't talking about Christians.

    I read the New Testament.
     
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    The Jews massacred all the Canaanites with the blessing of their God.
    That is what they believe in. That's the reason why the Jew think Israel is theirs.

    The Arabs rejected the partition plan. It was a bad plan. Their right of self determination was not implemented. The Balfour declaration demands that the immigrant jews must respect the civil rights of the Arabs. And they broke that at day one by ethnic cleansing 100.000's of civilians to thieve their lands, like they did at Haifa... through terror and claiming to make a genocide.

    The Jew was ordered to go kill all males at Haifa. They killed all civilians in other towns.
    That's systematic.
     
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    Wow, you’re still not getting it, are you? The Islamic empire that conquered Spain (and turned it into the jewel of Europe before the Christians reconquered it and started their murderous inquisition) allowed the indigenous Jews and Christians their own religious courts systems; Islam wasn’t “forced” upon them.

    Arabs were not transferred en masse from Arabia to Spain so that they could take the place of the indigenous Spaniards who were ethnically cleansed beforehand. This is what the European Zionists did in Palestine!
     
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    LOL- you are claiming an equivalency between a Palestinian whose great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandmother had sex with a Crusader (hence the genes) with Mr. Alex Wolfenstein, a Polish immigrant coming back home from Europe after a mere one thousand years. Priceless!
     
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    It's odd how some folks think the United States is the only country in the world whose opinion should matter, even though the actions of the U.S. have worldwide effects.
     
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    Are you sure?
    Possibly. Possibly, it is because after the war the land was set aside for them by the victors of said war, much the same way Meccans became rulers of TransJordan and Iraq, for example.
     
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    It actually does matter, big time because America is the biggest nation.
    To the point that us Aussies feel WE should vote in Presidential elections
    due to the impact on our country.
    And it matters in a super-big way - the discovery of America had the biggest
    impact on humanity that I can think of - it essentially ended the Middle Ages
    and ushered in an age of discovery. And the impact of a nation where people
    could go to be free (and the concepts of freedom) is still being felt, 500 years
    later..
     
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    There's a bit of a myth about this Muslim conquest of Spain.
    Truth be told the indigenous Spaniards, and their Jewish
    minority, were second-class citizens.

    No, Arabs were not forced into Spain. BUT JEWS WERE
    FORCED OUT OF PALESTINE ca 66-135 AD.
     
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    You maintain that Israel is afraid of losing her voice in the ME?
     
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    indeed. Words like dhimmitude and jizya come to mind.

    Under the Islamic institution of the dhimma (writ or contract of “protection”), the dhimmis of al-Andalus must pay a special tax, the jizya, for a “protection” intended, as Maliki legal texts make clear, to remind them of their submission. Malik’s Muwatta declares,

    Zakat is imposed on the Muslims to purify them and to be given back to their poor, whereas jizya is imposed on the people of the Book to humble them.”10 Therefore the jizya ought to be paid in a humiliating manner:

    The dhimmi, standing, would present the money to the Muslim collector who would be sitting higher up on a sort of throne; this Muslim bureaucrat would hold the dhimmi by the throat telling him “Oh dhimmi, enemy of Allah, pay the jizya that you owe us for the protection and tolerance we grant you”; the other Muslims present would imitate the collector, pushing around the dhimmi and whoever other dhimmis accompanied him. To this amusing spectacle should be admitted any Muslim who wanted to enjoy it.11

    The dhimma system, then, was a gangster-like “protection racket” (pay “protection” or else) that was quite profitable for the Muslim rulers. Muhammad’s father-in-law, companion, and second caliph, Umar (a caliph so just and pious that he was known as al-Farooq, “one who distinguishes between right and wrong”), made clear that this was a profitable system of extortion: dhimmis were even more productive for Muslims than slaves and therefore should be kept “protected” as dhimmis rather than parceled out as slaves precisely because Muslims could live off them much better. After citing the verses from Quran 9:29 (“Fight against those who do not believe in God nor in the Last Day, who do not hold forbidden what God and His Apostle have forbidden, who do not practice the religion of truth but are of those to whom a Book has been given, until they pay the poll tax from their hand, they being humbled”), Umar admonished his followers (bracketed material is the translator’s):

    Have you considered, if we take them [as slaves] and share them out, what will be left for Muslims who come after us? By God, the Muslims would not find a man to talk to and profit from his labors. The Muslims of our day will eat [from the work of] these people as long as they live, and when we and they die, our sons will eat their sons forever, as long as they remain, for they are slaves to the people of the religion of Islam as long as the religion of Islam shall prevail. 12

    From The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise: Muslims, Christians, and Jews under Islamic Rule in Medieval Spain. Copyright © 2016 by Darío Fernández-Morera. Published by ISI Books.
     
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    Has nothing to do with US or Israel...one-sided diatribes occur in every culture on all manner of topics.

    are you claiming that the "angelic" Arabs have not?

    Can you quantify this segment?

    Would you include other religions as expressing/employing this same paradigm, such as, say Muslims?

    again, would these be Christians? Or religious fanatics, in general?

    it would be redundant to ask again about religious fanatics in general, as we have all seen the propaganda from Muslim religious fanatics.
     
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    I thought the absolute goal of Israel was to survive her neighbors.
     
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    wow!
    And that is a thorn for you?
    At first glance that sounds like unmitigated racism... But I like to be fair and I don't know you, I am willing to listen to another take on the matter, if you are willing to explain how this matters.
     
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    I tend to agree with this assessment.

    After the wars, land was divided as it always is; Arabs got the lion's share (rightfully so).

    So what went wrong? Why did 5 Arab nations immediately attack?

    One does not have to go digging for answers; the answers are clearly spelled out in the book.
     
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    you did not say oh, but I assume that these are Palestinian children in refugee camps.

    my heart goes out to each and every child in the world who has found him or herself trapped I'm dire circumstances...

    But...

    Speaking as just one American, I feel no responsibility for these children being in camps, nor would I support any politician on either side of the aisle who did so; further I do not believe that any Western ...or Chinese or African, etc...nation should feel responsible for Palestinian refugee camps.

    You may lay that responsibility directly at the feet of the Arab Nations involved!

    You are correct about one thing though, there should be a special place in "hell" for those use human beings as a stratagem of war!
     
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    I will make a couple of quick points since, ultimately, historical events involve numerous facts and factors and the narratives can be guided in different directions depending on the facts you want to highlight.

    1- If you recall my analogy in the past, i.e., Zionist Inc. and its shareholders, you will see the different forces behind the movement adequately summarized in that analogy. But I certainly don't give ordinary rank and file Jews, or even many Jewish intellectuals, as much weight as you do. The drivers behind the project were those which I had mentioned as representing the Christian evangelical Zionists, the anti-Semites and colonialist working with them, along with very successful Jews who I have likened (without delving into the issue much for now) to Nazi collaborators.

    2- I am not sure who in Iran believes "God ordered them to kill Jews"? Iran is one of the few countries in the world where you have synagogues which don't require even police protection. Jews walk in and out of these synagogues, as well as kosher restaurants and the like, wearing their distinctive caps, without any hassles whatsoever. But the Christian evangelicals who you think will wait for "God" to finish off the Jews once they have been gathered in Palestine, are quite prone to giving their "God" a helping hand! That is why they are so much into the whole "Zionist project" (seeing it as fulfillment of Bible prophesy), trying to make it a self-fulfilling prophesy. And I am sure some of them are impatient enough to want to work to make other things 'self-fulfilling' prophesies too, as that appears ultimately the basis for their faith! (i.e., the fulfillment of these so-called prophesies, the
    'proof' of the truth of their beliefs!).

    3- The true anti-Semites in the world, whether secular or religious, are also the ones who live in the West. While they might have found a more 'alien' target for their hatred in "Muslims" today, and the Jews might be somewhat 'off the hook' with them for now, unless being a "Jew" loses all of its distinction (and it has lost much of it already, as the "Jews" -- hated for being an 'Eastern", alien, presence, in Europe -- are now acting as the biggest cheerleaders of the West), in which case the "Jewish homeland" will be even more clearly a Western colonial outpost and nothing more, eventually the combination of this inherent anti-Semiticism with its historical, cultural, religious, and racial antecedents, will show you what I am saying now very clearly. All Jews who are working with these people are ultimately akin to Nazi collaborators. The "final solution" still awaits them, even if these modern day Nazis want to propel others to do their dirty work and, in the proverbial sense, 'kill two birds with one shot'.

    4- IRAN is a big country, which has existed throughout history, in one form or another, ever since recorded history. Israel is not. IRAN will survive these plots, even if we will suffer a lot in the process, as we survived many others. But Israel will not. It will be a footnote in history. You are a forward base and that is what happens to forward bases. They are eventually wiped out. That is what history will show you if you look beyond its ebbs and flows. The West has never been able to conquer the East (except for short period), and it won't succeed in doing so now. Not in any lasting way. There is good, objective, reasons for that too. But that will require opening up a very complicated subject which I am loathe to do here on a message board where even the simple things are outside the patience and familiarity of people who post and read the posts here.
     
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    The Tamimis are Bedouins from the Arabian Peninsula. Nomadic by definition. Nobody can possibly know were the great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandmother had been.

    Did God tell the humans he allegedly created to always stay on the same continent, or else...?
     
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    Is this REALLY a "refugee camp" picture?
    Why should children be behind wire for an event which happened in 1948? And
    most of it happened because the Jerusalem Mufti called upon Palestinians to
    abandon their villages and farms so as to indict the Jews?
    Who is exploiting these kids?
     
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    Refugee camps in West Bank and Gaza - which are cities built by UNRWA - are not surrounded by wire or any other kind of barrier. Only in Lebanon are the refugee camps surrounded by walls.

    If the picture is taken in a refugee camp, the children are probably in a schoolyard or something similar.
     
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    This thread is about Soleimani R.I.P.
    Why are you talking about the so called Palestinians ?
     
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    https://www.meforum.org/7241/the-privileged-palestinian-refugees
     
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    It got nothing to do with Iran and we were talking about IRAN and how it regards the "Zionist project".
    Solemani was an enemy of my ppl, he commanded all the proxies around us that do fight us, I don't rejoice the demise of my enemies but it's good for my ppl at least (and Im sure to other ppl as well) that he is gone.
     
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    Alexa, Ill try again and if you change the subject- again than I will have all the answers I need from you.

    Iran CHOSE to destroy Israel by whatever means their leaders can get away with for a feud that got nothing to do with them personally, Israel is no threat to Iran, we dont share any borders, we dont have any agenda's that risk whatever plans they have to live long and prosper - THEY have plans of destruction toward us which got NOTHING to do with 1967 war, the only reason Israel does fight Iran is over this issue they want us destroyed.
    And so all your tears over the "murders" Israel performs in Syria, Iraq and Lebanon on Iranian proxies are result of self defense.
     
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