Educated vs "Non-Educated"

Gee, and I thought you were going to ignore me.
Do you know what ignore means ?

 

Nah, you are kind of cute. Wanna shag?

 

Sounds like you want a beat down. Ballroom dance is not something you want to challenge this liberal in.

 

Guess this "liberal" (cough, cough, cough) could not find the word "shag" in his beloved dictionary.

 

You’re doing a great imitation of one.

 

Do you really know what you’re talking about ?

 

Oh not the fictional novels you read. But for fact based literature, especially those that deal with libertarians, you’re delusional.

 

You are American. This is why your definition of "liberal" and "shag" are waaay different from their original, British menaings

Bloody barbarians.

I am not a big fan of fiction. Despite not even being a native English speaker, I have never needed a dictionary when I read academic and non-fiction literature.

 

Seriously ? You know what the “ jerk function” is without looking it up ? It should be well known to anyone capable of understanding ANY English based academic material that is non fictional.

 

I do know that you do not hit space between a word and a punctuation mark.

 

But, not what a “ jerk function” is
?

 

So what. Btw, I never pretended to be an expert on all English based non fictional literature. I’m a barbarian. I have no expectations on me.

 

We absolutely do have a choice. And, we've made that choice in the past.

When our economy moved from agriculture toward manufactuuring, it was found that an 8th grade education was no longer good enough. So, we built a public school system that carried through high school and we REQUIRED attendance. That choice kept America in the forefront of manufacturing.

Now, our economy (and that of our competitors) is moving toward information, high tech, clean energy, medicine, etc. High school is no longer sufficient for the jobs that pay well in those industries that push our economy forward.

That is the same situation that caused us to act in the past.

Not only do we have a choice, we have made that choice in the past.

 

I'm not very excited about the "I met an idiot graduate" stories. The thing is, lots of kids go through college studying a very narrow range of topics. So, if you talk to them about something not in that range, they are essentially high school kids. Take Ben Carson for example. He's a BRAIN surgeon. He has been in school for MANY years beyond his 4 year degree. Yet, in other areas he is a blithering idiot, repeately making profoundly stupid statements and pathetic reccommendations.

I've interviewd strong engineering candidates who can't spell, can't form a proper sentence, don't know jack about civics, have no sense of beauty or cultural responsibility in their engineering, just plain aren't creative, etc., etc. And, I see this as an actual problem. Another problem we see regularly is that engineering managers usually come from the ranks of engineers - who have haven't studied issues of leadershp or management.

Treating college as vocational education in that way is not good enough. It's why focusing on one STEM topic to the exclusion of other disciplines is unfotunate at best.

I'm an advocate of a more rounded education. Telling kids they should know only one subjec is really bad advice. Telling kids to work hard at school so they can get out in less than 4 years is similarly horrible advice.

Besides all the above how the heck does a high school kid know what they'll love to do for the next 30 years of economic change in America?

 

I'll say it again ....what on earth are you talking about? What does any of that have to do with a discussion on the definition of Middle Class?

I suspect you're replying to someone else, since your response bears no relationship to my post. But on the off chance you are responding to my post ... you may want to have your meds reviewed. I'm not American, I live in a country with universal healthcare (which I believe is fundamental in any civil society, along with public education), and am a lifelong Lefty.

 

That's something entirely different. We are constantly adapting our education to current and future needs. That has nothing at all to do with parental willingness to support that education.

 

Of course it is. How do you think such things are paid for?

 

Family, obviously. First line of defence should always be family.

 

Would you say the same thing about national defense? I think a case can be made that people are getting squirrelly about not be able to afford health care for members of their family. Does the unrest impact our national unity and our national defense.

Some health care is--public health--and we're all impacted in some way by having less than healthy people in our communities, public spaces, and our workforce. Is a workforce in poor health a threat to national defense? Perhaps.

No, I suppose it doesn't.

I concede most health care is a private benefit. The public for whatever reason overwhelmingly support making affordable health care available.

Replace public schools with what? Vouchers? Charter schools? Religious schools?

 

Profit is capitalism. Purchased services is capitalism. The nature of the services purchased is utterly irrelevant.

The great mistake was allowing Progressives (who are fundamentally archly conservative) to take the place of liberals.

 

There is a quote.

 

Haha .. no they don't. And no they aren't.

If they were willing to do anything at all for 'the most people', they'd be putting their own money where their mouths are. They'd be sacrificing their First World lifestyles and freedoms to ensure survival of the tribe. You are talking about people who would drop dead in a week, if they had to live like actual socialists.

 

Balderdash. The non-white children of migrants (who always encounter struggles of one sort or another) are absolutely thrashing your 'aristocratic' crowd in both high schools, and universities .. all over the West. Check the stats, if you doubt.

 

Profit is not capitalism. Even socialism allows profit, both gross and net and literally every form of govt allows profit when the business is out side of direct govt. control. The post office has gross profit to pay overhead salaries and capital expenses and benefits.

“for profits” allow taxed income beyond gross profits to be payed back through the sale of stock ownership. Maybe you’re confused.

 

Money is not required for a high level education. Children can come out of public high schools with very high levels of attainment if parents are willing to support their education. They can secure full scholarships in the best universities, if they're sufficiently motivated. Even if they can't secure a scholarship, all they have to do is choose a degree which guarantees well paid full time work at graduation, and no student loan is really a problem. Of course it goes without saying that the child commutes to a local university, instead of living on a campus (which is a huge waste of money), and that they should stay in the family home until the student loan is paid off. Not doing these obviously essential things, is a freely made choice. You cannot blame the system.