Why today’s young men are terrified of sex... Any truth to this, or are y'all geezers outdated...

People were forced to be miserable. Now they can divorce. When no-fault divorce laws were first passed beginning in 1969 [California], guess what happened to the divorce rate.

 

Well that's a broader take than the subject that the thread is about. This is about the drop off of real sex, or the interest in real sex, but young Gen Z males. The collapse of the family and the lack of make role models may be a part of that, but if it is, it's a small part.

 

We teach our kids lies about sex. Of course they are confused.

 

Sexist thought of the day, somehow I think single fathers would do a far better job of it than single mothers.

 

Isn't it amazing that a lower marriage rate (not a good thing) leads to a lower divorce rate. Whodathunkit?

 

Another sexist thought of the day: Young single men have no interest in raising children on their own.

 

But the gap between them has been decreasing on the average, since the mid 1800s. In fact the increasing rate of divorce was fairly steady until no-fault laws were passed. Then the slope of the graph increases significantly.

The average rate of marriage was 10 per 1000 per year, until about 1990. But the rate of divorce has been increasing for over 150 years. This is just more evidence that the classic marriage simply doesn't work for everyone; and hasn't for a long time. With a 50% divorce rate and many others in unhappy marriages, I would guess that traditional marriage works well for about 1 in 4 people.

 

You get the impression from some liberal men that outwardly they'll say they're proud of their cheating wives sexual independence, those same liberal men are crying themselves to sleep at night while their wives are out and about....probably kicking it with conservative guys.

 

so your saying are Generation Z is not as bad as the women your own age?

your divorce is hardly representative of all older women

I will agree with you on one point, there is a lot more narcissists in the country now, both males and females... even our President.. maybe it's the processed food

 

of course divorce went up when people were allowed to divorce, they were no longer force to stay with their abusive spouses, they could leave them

Interesting, that change was the same year the government started pushing the High Carb diet on the American people

 

What teen can measure up?

 

Relationships are hard work and to make it work requires both parties MUST be willing to COMPROMISE!

The problem is that no one teaches the basics of compromise and communication in schools.

And it wasn't taught when I was in school either.

The current generation is no better or worse off in that respect IMO.

But since we now KNOW that we should be educating kids about these things there is no excuse for it not be happening.

 

Considering the number of people under antidepressant, the rising number of suicides, are people that more happy ?
There is a large increase of suicide among divorced men, and children which grew up without father, often the result of divorce, have much more probability to commit suicide or consume drugs.

Human being are social animals. For our well being, we need to be integrated in some groups. I've worked with autistic people, and even them that need to isolate themselves often from other people need to be integrated in a group, in a different way however.
I don't care really about the number of divorces. I fully understand all the anti marriage men that appear now however.

I'm more worried of the disintegration of social structures however.
The old structures were tribe/extended family/nuclear family/individual.
Tribes could be associated to some villages, but a church, a mosque could act as a form of "tribe".

My point is : there is a loss of social connection that go deeper and deeper and it's quite worrying.

 

what they need is a male birth control pill, many in this economic uncertainty are afraid to have children

 

under clinton, we had a economic hay day, children were raised to believe they could be anything they want, rather then if they worked hard and studied hard they had more opportunities in life, we see an increase in the number of narcissists in the county due to this I think, video games, social media, ect.. all play into this as well.. think our high carb diet is also damaging peoples brains, causing more anxiety and fear - also two working parents means less time with children in the family unit, most families require both parents work

"Tribes could be associated to some villages, but a church, a mosque could act as a form of "tribe"."

for the young, facebook is the new tribe

 

@FreshAir Yes, sugar can cause anxiety. And it's addictive aswell, like it's derivative alcohol.

Furthermore, we could speak of the decrease of quality of food. I sometimes tend to eat processed food, sometimes food from the countryside, I feel much better with the second.

Facebook isn't a tribe in the sense that it wouldn't care of you if you disappeared. In a tribe, even the disabled one, the elderlies are integrated in the tribe. The tribe integrate their members, whatever are their conditions, that's why banishment is in a traditionnal society the most cruel punishment a tribe could do.

In our societies, if you can't find a job you're an outcast, and considering how live divorced men, even if you can find a job, you may be an outcast. Globally, it's now how it works in most of the world, there is still part of rural Africa, rural southern america or some rural part of asia (quite rare now) that survived this process, but it's rare.

 

well to be fair, most churches wont notice you stopped going either unless you were a big donor.... but some friends at the church may notice, same as some of your facebook friends may notice

and yes, sugar is addictive and as bad for your liver as alcohol, maybe worse as when people get drunk they stop consuming alcohol for a time, they can keep on consuming sugar

 

Yes, I was thinking to old school churches.
When people start to care at each other, don't be surprized that your church/mosque get deserted.

 

Sadly, in Modern World, hatred against some birth groups is acceptable. Many on the Left proclaim that all men are potential rapists complicit in "Patriarchy". This attitude leads to a continuum of hate speech against men in MSM and to Presumption of Guilt.

Many on the Right are extremely prejudiced against all people with disability. They oppose Welfare. They oppose regulating firearms.

Sadly, neither side is truly Humanitarian.

 

"Striking Vipers"?

Damn good show. Well written.

 

True, but they were unhappy before they divorced. Some can't recover and don't make it. They wait too long. Or they don't have the ability to socialize and start over. I nearly blew my brains out while still married. I then realized that if I didn't dump her, I would certainly end up dead.

No matter how much we need someone, if that someone is a constant plague on your life - constant nagging, constant judging, constant complaining, no intimacy, no sex - it is not a positive force in your life. It will drag you to the grave. In fact, many many older men are just waiting to die. They will even tell you so when you dig deeply enough. They often use those exact words.

There are options to marriage. I am living proof of that. In fact, most men that know about my lifestyle eventually become very jealous. Honestly, I never expected that reaction but it is overwhelmingly the reaction I get eventually. Why? Because they are living lives of quiet desperation, just as I did.

Yes, but I attribute that to the internet as much as any other single cause. The internet has connected the world in total isolation. How's that for a paradox?

We need to socialize but I don't think we need a tribe. I think that is just ancient thinking. Humans continue to evolve socially. I don't need a tribe and I don't want a tribe. They just become a pain in the ass.

 

yeah, agree, Churches in the old days were like the facebook today, if you did something wrong or needed help, that is where people in town found out in small town America and word spread fast

I think some churches today still are like that, a good place to meet people and make connections - many today are just mega churches trying to make a buck

 

When I think of a "tribe", the only one thing comes to mind is, "Who is trying to screw me now?. There are jerks in every crowd that ruin it for everyone else.

FreshAir makes the other point, I don't want people trying interfere with my life. In fact, that is one of the biggest reasons people who grew up in a small town, leave: Everyone knows your business.

 

There is so much empirical data that shows society has been unfair to men yet instead of fixing the problem we focus on the symptom

 

Seriously there are all kinds statistics out there showing how the government is doing this to men or allowing it to happen. Homelessness, incarceration rate, length of incarceration, family courts, suicide etc

This isn't rocket science