Right to repair.

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    no this is about freedom and capitalism. If you buy something it should be yours to do with what you wish.

    everybody does to some extent. Have you ever heard of antitrust laws? Do you think those are commie plot?

    Do you hear yourself? Do you think the company that manufactured the things you own should have the right to turn them off without your permission? Do you hate capitalism?
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Cars haven't gotten there yet outside of European cars. But tech devices... Yeah I refuse to pay full price for any of that.
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    I just read the John Deere website and they give you instructions on how to first run the breakin oil that is used in any new or rebuilt and then how to change it. My son is a mechanic for Caterpillar I'll have to ask him about it.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure if cat is there yet.
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Well I drive my Z4 3.0si a LOT harder than I do my Sonata, even though the Sonate is a turbo, so there is going to be more maintenance and the parts are for design for performance not long term. Just had control arms and bushings installed on the front suspension at 84,000. I EXPECT the maintenance to be higher and the quality of the parts to be better.
     
  6. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    The cost of maintenance is higher but the quality of parts is not.

    People tend to think that higher cost equals higher quality.

    I've had two Fords that I put over 200,000 miles on. And I never had to buy new control arm bushings on either one of them that is better quality.
     
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    I had to replace my Ford's bushings at 260K
     
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    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because what the op suggests sounds more like a quasi lease than ownership. I'm thinking an adjustment to contact law and title regulations might cover it.

    Fraud by trick scheme or device?
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    I had to do it on my old Chevy at 160k so I was driving in water a lot of the time. But still 84k and you already have to do that in a car that's 50 Grand. That's absurd. let's put it this way I know why people get rid of their BMWs and Porsches and stuff and buy another one
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    I like the way you put that that's exactly what it is fraud.
     
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    Couldn't agree less with this. Licensure is another way that entrenched larger companies use government to hamstring their competition. I can see licenses for barbers, who wield sharp, pointy things around human heads, or financial/insurance advisors, but not mechanics. Some of the best mechanics I know are shade tree mechanics. The problem is large manufacturers skirting antitrust by restraint of trade.
     
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    Some people believe higher quality cost. And your truck doesn't get near the performance my roadster does nor does it need to.
     
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    Well if I drove it slow and didn't drift through turns mark 35 at 80 yeah they'd probably last longer maybe double but then you can't do that in your truck.
     
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    Those people are born every minute.

    If I wanted a performance car if buy a Ford. Better quality.
     
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    You can do it in other Fords and not have to rebuild the front end in 80k
     
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    Heh, you think you ran into a wrinkle with Right to repair and small electronics?..Try dealing with Tesla's BS...

     
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    This idea would send the tech industry into conniptions. The idea that once you own a device, you have a right to the data that device requires to function properly would destroy their entire world.

    And while I generally prefer the promotion of autonomy in such things, there is a very real debate to be had over intellectual property on this issue.

    And yet, absolutely- if you're tractor goes down mid-harvest and you have to wait a week for a guy to come out and update proprietary firmware or some ****, your season is done and you're bankrupt.

    I would be buying old **** too. That's really the simplest answer. Prolly won't be long til someone starts selling brand new top of line farm equipment running on technology from the 90s.

    As a loosely related aside, my old boss is a fixit whiz with 15 or 20 acres of prime hay fields. He bought it more as an investment, but soon realized farming it was cheaper than mowing it, and not mowing was subject to even more expensive fines. So he bought some old broken tractors and tillers, a swather, a bailer and a dozer, most of which had been relegated to 'yard art', and got em working enough to hay his fields. He prolly spent 10 grand on everything (not including labor). But the County tax assessors books told them he had $100,000 worth of farm equipment, merely because it was now in working condition. He had to then hire a lawyer.
     
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    The market will take care of it. Consumers will eventually wise up. Until then, a fool and his money....
     
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    So in reality we're buying a "one time use" privilege from the copyright owner?

    Like buying a photo for publication, one time use.
     
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    Good luck meeting exhaust and fuel economy standards.
     
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    Just do what Chevy does- run the exhaust through a POS charcoal filter. Make it easily removed by DIYers. ;)
     
  22. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Oh, yeah Tesla's are... Not to be touched. I've heard horror stories, but then again if you are buying a car from a tech company instead of a car company.

    I'd advise anybody not to buy one unless they simply have to have it.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    They don't though. People still buy Apple tech.
     
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    I understand the idea of protecting intellectual property but if doing so requires a monopoly there is a problem.

    Think about how this could go.
     
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    Seems like.
     

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