Alec Baldwin see’s “near moral collapse” in America, Blames it on Trump supporters

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    And, if you're capable of understanding a cause and effect relationship, and if you were well informed about the history of prohibition in this country, including the Volstead Act and the Controlled Substances Act, you would know that prohibition causes many social pathologies, not least of which is the destruction of families you comment on.

    Prohibition is destructive of society, and that's not rocket science.
     
  2. Pred

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    Drugs are NOT the leading cause of single parent homes. Sorry. Dads aren’t sticking around whether drugs are in the picture or not. Prohibition has diddly to do someone having unprotected sex last night. You are exactly the problem. You think simply making drugs legal or not punishing them anymore will suddenly stop the black community from hitting it and quitting it. At least that’s where it seems you’re going with this.

    The leading cause of single parent homes is when govt replaced the father with a check. You are aware there were far less single parent homes back when people felt required to stay together for the sake of the child. That degraded over time as people learned they didn’t need to stay together when they could get a bigger pay check for having more children. Even Obama admitted it.
     
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  3. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Get your glasses out, please. I did not say drugs were the problem, I said the minimum mandatory sentences used to enforce the drug prohibition is a very large factor in the dysfunctional families you posted about.

    Do I need to repeat that?
     
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    Ok. So it’s not exactly drugs but harsh punishment for crimes influenced by drugs? You’re not being very clear at all. You’re just trying to find another problem without acknowledging the big one
     
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    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    How would that go? On the other hand, they say the only cure for ridiculous CEO pay is a higher top tax rate.
     
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    Whoever said that is an idiot.
     
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    And the CEOs will move out of the US and give the middle finger to the taxes.
     
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    Yes yes there's nothing we can do against the all-powerful CEOs, your heroes. Change the channel that is ridiculous. the GOP is the party of lobbyists corruption and swampiness and always has been.... Only your alternate planet of Bologna makes this mess possible.
     
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    Yeah I can't understand why CEO pay has gone up 1000 % since Reagan it's just amazing LOL. For your information, 90% was the top tax rate under Eisenhower, Kennedy changed it to 70%, Reagan changed it to 50% and had success, but out the door he cut it to 28% and ever since the middle class and our infrastructure have been going to hell and CEO pay has skyrocketed. Now we have the worst inequality and upward mobility ever and it just keeps getting worse no matter how many $8 an hour jobs we have- we have to invest in America and Americans again. Or we're going to be a banana republic just like all of Latin America used to be-and the GOP loved it the swine.
     
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    Time to give up on the never ending war on drugs which has turned Central America into a gangland war zone. Not to mention Mexico Colombia and Venezuela and half of the Caribbean. How about we try treatment and having a mental health system for a change. Of course we would have to tax the rich for a change... Horrors!
     
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    Alec Baldwin see’s “near moral collapse” in America, Blames it on Trump supporters

    Baldwin hit it but won't quit it. The moral collapse is all on the far right and Trump side.
     
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    Perhaps you should move to Venezuela where a "progressive" such as yourself can get all the equality you want and more. The government "invested" in Venezuela and Venezuelans, nationalizing companies and redistributing wealth and property and how did that work out? Are everyone's living standards higher or lower now? Are the things people need more available or less? Are people flocking to the country because its economy is offering all kinds of opportunity, or are people fleeing it in droves because the "progressives" running the country destroyed the economy with their economically illiterate schemes?

    I hate to break the news to you and your comrades, but this country - America - is a free country. If companies and shareholders think a CEO is worth a ridiculous amount of money then they're free to pay them a ridiculous amount of money. You and I may not like it but tough **** - it's not our money. On the flip side, anyone who isn't happy with the salary they are making can do what I've done numerous times when I wasn't happy with the money I was making and exercise their freedom to find a better paying job. In this country, an employer can't force anyone to work for them.

    Like I said before, the people who say "the only cure for ridiculous CEO pay is a higher top tax rate" are idiots. There are numerous ways companies and even consumers can address that and higher tax rates obviously isn't one of them.
     
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    Venezuela has nothing to do with it. they are sanctioned so much for the Trump administration they can't even sell their oil anymore. And thanks for the covert coup attempts. Great job! The GOP propaganda machine as a distraction for every occasion LOL
     
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    LOL! Is that all you have?
     
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    So no argument at all?
    Every other modern country manages to text their rich their fair share and have benefits to citizenship. The GOP voters here are perfect
     
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    Blah,blah....not at all. France tried this nonsense and it did not work.
     
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    So we make all drugs legal and big pharma takes over instead. More corporate big wigs getting rich off the poor working man. That wouldn’t make you happy either. And we could tax the rich 100% and it won’t make a dent except they would all leave and then how would you make a living? I’m assuming you work? Do you work or is this your job, spouting propaganda on forums and social media;)

    Let me tell you a secret. Mexico allowed the drug lords to take over in the first place. We could drone their mansions and factories in a week. It would be messy but it wouod be over. Drug lords do it for the money. If they have to live underground in fear, they have no motivation anymore. They’re not religious fanatics who don’t care how they exist. They’re in it for the riches. Other corrupt govts allowed them all to get a foothold. Don’t blame us.

    Latin America is crap because they let themselves stay that way.
     
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    Let me tell you a secret: the drug cartels would not exist if not for legislation begun in the US of A in 1914, the foundation of the drug prohibition that powers those cartels, the Harrison Narcotic Act of 1914.

    It's not really a secret, it's just that YOU and most other Americans are not aware of that part of history.
     
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    Wow, your skew is something else.

    They don't attack Warren for her 'ancestor's race', she is criticized for using a supposed miniscule possibility of Native American heritage, as her primary 'race', in order to benefit her in employment.

    It's not race, it is based on those who pose either a terroristic threat, or by shear volume with questionable reasons to demand entrance to the US when they violated the basics of seeking asylum.

    No, they are not looking for 'cheap wages'. You obviously haven't a clue about labor markets. For the last three years, the labor markets are tight, and being so, wages are up, and employees are not easy to find. People who turn out to be illegal, normally will either steal someone's identity, create one, or outstay their visa. Depending on the employer, if proper procedures are followed, those who have stolen an identity may or may not come to light, but those who create them are usually found out sooner rather than later. Those who outstay their visa will usually have their passports altered, and may or may not be indentified.

    First and foremost, an employer is not allowed to ask about someone's status. It is punishable by law with hefty fines, and you should know this, it is discrimination based on skin color.

    Now, anything else you want to misspeak on?
     
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    So we’re going back to 1914 for fracks sake:) Fine, make all drugs legal and hand them over to corporations so people are now legally getting rich of MORE substances that can destroy families and kill people? Would you be satisfied with that?

    I’m all for making ALL of it legal but also not require insurance companies or hospitals to be responsible for all the users killing themselves and others for their next fix. Insurance is already expensive enough. Now we’ll have to have more to protect ourselves from the all the legal crap that everyone is taking. Highly addictive Substances that kill and destroy you will still do it if it’s legal or not. The difference is, we’ll ALL be on the hook now to help all the addicts. Probably a lot more expensive then the drug war.

    Stop citing what you think is wrong and explain what your solution is. It’s really easy to blame people that are dead. But what do we do about it NOW? Who are the problem NOW?

    We have hidden fields and “factories” here, but at least we destroy them as we find them. In Mexico the govt takes their cut and let’s them resume business. If they didn’t do that drugs wouldn’t be as profitable. Put the blame where it belongs. The problem is the cartels are more trusted than the govts is down there. They help small towns where they operate. They build the schools. They give more of **** then the govt does. Who’s fault is that? Ours? BS!!!!
     
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    Life's a bitch mate, and then you die. We're all in it together. Any solution I offer is simply a public discussion with curious minds. I know full well that the government doesn't care a whit about my thoughts or solutions. The same holds true for you, but maybe it hasn't yet dawned on you.
     
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    I speak French fluently and know the country well and have no idea what you are talking about. They have the second most expensive healthcare in the world 12% of GDP, while we pay 18% of GDP and die off. Every other rich country in the world has all this stuff while we the richest have a bag of garbage in comparison. 70% living paycheck-to-paycheck, worst inequality and upward mobility anywhere and ever. Only propaganda makes this mess possible.
     
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    While you seriously support a full fledged bigot!


     
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    War on drugs is a horrible failure here and there.
     
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    It's your skew that is screwed up, C D. Trump's policies are racially based and biased. Don't defend the indefensible.
     

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