Everyone out to Richmond on Monday!

Let me get this straight. I'm not allowed to second-guess your motives for wanting to protect the second amendment (cowboy wannabes) but you can second-guess my very valid concern that high concentrations of conservatives would commit acts of violence?

 

then why is he your fantasy

You were afraid of normal people. Are you also afraid of clouds?

 

Your concerns are not valid they are based on prejudice.

And they're really 180 degrees opposed to reality. It seems to be left-wing protests that get violent.

You are trying to justify your brainwashing because it's easier than thinking for yourself.

 

Get this straight.
Do whatever you want

 

glad you support MLK day

 

Yes, they could indeed kill someone.

The Weathermen killed themselves, at the Townhouse. [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_Village_townhouse_explosion ] "Hey, man, does the red wire go here, or the blue one?" "Oh hell, don't be so uptight about following the man's rules .. it doesn't matter...." They had intended to kill dozens of GIs and their dates the next day at a dance at Fort Dix. Instead the killed themselves. It made Bill Ayers and company change course a bit. (Ayers almost certainly had approved the attack, but now claims the Townhouse group were a 'rogue element'. But almost all other Weathermen who had cause to know, claim that he knew very well what was going to happen, and is just covering himself. What a swine he is!)

But at the moment, they're not using guns or explosives. If they kill someone, it will be with a brick. And if that happens -- unless it's a genuine Nazi they kill -- it wil be a huge victory for us. The dwindling band of genuine liberals, who are still numerous among older people, don't really approve of murdering their political opponents, even obnoxious conservatives like us. But they feel guilty for not being out on the streets fighting the 'fascists' like they were fifty years ago. So they're ambivalent about Anti-Fa. It would be good to drive a wedge between the two. When AntiFa violently attacked Andy Ngo last year some liberals defended Anti-fa, and some didn't. This needs to happen again.

 

I imagine that many of you have seen this already, but this article contains an excellent montage showing how the Fake News scumbags at MSNBC and CNN lied about white nationalists and hate groups attending the rally in Richmond:

FAKE NEWS: CNN, MSNBC Spread Fear of ‘White Nationalists’ Causing ‘Violence’ in Virginia
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/n...read-fear-white-nationalists-causing-violence



God knows how many credulous saps in their audience lapped up the propaganda they were being fed...

 

You can tell conservatives were out in force. They even cleaned up after themselves.

Can anyone imagine a gaggle of commies doing the same?

 

And no vandalism, arson and storefronts smashed-in....I didn't see any American flags set on fire, either...

Hell no. ANSWERniks expect mommy and daddy to clean-up after them like they do at home...

 

It doesn't need to happen anymore.

 

Also in Florida, I'm glad our voters have wisely (by voting) have not allowed such a takeover by the state legislature or the governor. I fear that eventually we will be facing similar issues as democrats keep moving down here. Our recent election was dam close but the gop still holds decent majorities.

 

Never miss an opportunity to kick your enemy when he is down.

I grant that watching Warren and Sanders tear at each other is very gratifying (I'm for Bernie!), but
if we can help nurture discord among the other side in any way, we should.

And there are still some honest liberals over there, who need to be encouraged.

I've read several mea culpa statements from decent liberal journalists over things like the Covington boys hoax,
the Jesse Smollet (sp?)hoax, the endorsement of would-be cop-killer Michael Brown by Elizabeth Warren, an article critical
of the hucksters at the Southern Poverty Law Center, even something pointing out that the militia
movement are not all crazed white nationalists eager to implement a Final Solution to the race problem.

 

You're going to have one more vote in few years. A friend of mine has just defected from Cuba and is now living (just barely) in Miami.

He thinks he's a 'democratic socialist' but when he learns that our socialists are mainly friends of the Cuban secret police, I think he'll change his mind.

 

hopefully we hold on but the big cities and college towns are not going to get smaller, hard to overcome those huge swings in the dem's favor. As it was trump won by a pretty slim margin, 100K.

The senator vote baffled me to be honest, 10K vote difference between Scott and Nelson, granted Scott is no saint but Nelson is about as worthless as it gets and Scott barely squeaked by, granted if someone wants to vote dem no matter what that's fine, but Nelson should have been primaried a decade ago if not earlier, he's awful.

 

Agreed, but unfortunately it will happen again.

The anarchists in this country have a long violent history going back to the assassination of President William McKinley in 1901. They're not going to change and like every other nihilist violence and destruction is all they know.

 

The anarchists at the beginning of the century were true anarchists, especially those in the Galleani movement. (More information here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_the_United_States). And they did a lot of damage. They were serious, and were willing to risk their lives for their cause. The rise of Communism meant their end, though, since most people who were attracted to that kind of hardline anti-capitalism became Communists. (Ironically, the Russian Communists had to destroy the Russian anarchists.)

I don't think the present-day 'anarchists' are anything like the originals. They're just spoiled brats and human detritus. The last really significant terrorist movement from the Left in the US, the Weathermen, was motivated by the Vietnam war -- the terrorists identified with the Vietnamese Communists. But the Left today don't identify with Islamists, even if we were still fighting them actively (instead of, as in Syria, supporting one group of violent Islamists against a secular government). There were also a couple of isolated groups that lasted into the late 70s, but hard-left bombers and bank robbers have been extinct for nearly forty years in the US.

A serious leftwing terrorist movement could emerge some day -- one committed to armed violence now, and bombs. But the Left is winning via normal democratic means, so I don't think we'll see anything like that, just the occasional crazed individual like that fellow in Tacoma,or the one who shot those Republican congressmen. Very similar to right-wing terrorism, just nutty individuals who take the rhetoric of their group seriously.

Anyone really interested in American anarchism needs to read the books by Paul Avrich. He was very sympathetic to the anarchists, but also an honest man. Reading what he wrote about Sacco and Vanzetti, you can't help but come to the conclusion that they were probably guilty. (Details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacco_and_Vanzetti) Of course the Left has made them out to be innocent heroes -- the Democratic governor of Massachusetts even made that official. But they were almost certainly as guilty as OJ Simpson.

 

While the pukes in Antifa, et al, identify as Anarcho-Marxists I think it would be more accurate to describe them as Nihilists. They don't have a coherent ideology and program and are only interested in destruction for destruction's sake, much like the Nihilists in pre-revolutionary (late 19th Century) Russia that Dostoevsky wrote about in Demons. They're also similar to the nihilists in the French Revolution who were more interested in killing their opponents and tearing down the fabric and pillars of French society than building a freer and more prosperous republic for themselves and their countrymen.

The Left today most definitely identifies with Islamists, which is why they ally themselves with Islamists and defend Islamists. While that arrangement may seem counter-intuitive or strange on the surface it really is not. In fact, some conservative thinkers and authors have written at great length about the alliance between "progressives" and Islamists.

 

The damn morons almost elected Gillum who vowed to raise MW to 15$ an hour and raise corporate taxes by 40%. Now either they were retards or just wanted to crash our state economy. Not to even mention, his city hall was under FBI investigation. We need a wall on the Florida border.

 

yes, fortunately it was by 100K. Our overall vote totals, (we're purple) is not looking good for the gop overall in the future. I can see dem's drooling over the potential of adding a state tax, so much more money they would love to waste. Gillum would have loved to go after firearms, he went hard on that issue after parkland.

 

And no state tax is one of the main draws to move here. They are like a spreading virus. Flee the states and policies they voted for then relocate and vote the same damn way!

 

You are right about the 'nihilism', which I think applies to many terrorist groups and individuals, and also to at least some of the people in AntiFa.

Not sure about the French revolutionaries -- I have always thought that their problem was the belief that society was like a machine -- figure out the mechanical linkages, alter them to match what you want the machine to do, and ... Utopia! Plus their belief that everyone after the Revolution would be a paragon of self-abnegating virtue, instead of what we all are, really -- self-interested people, influenced by society via social pressure/customs/laws, but still self-interested.

And like all such upheavals, it had its Left and its not-so-Left -- and they came to blows pretty quickly [ More information here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_of_the_Equals ]. There is a lesson for us here today -- the anarchists have had fist-fights with the Leninists at demonstrations in the past, as their more literate members have not forgotten that the Bolsheviks pretty quickly found it necessary to shoot the anarchists after 1917. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_uprisings_against_the_Bolsheviks ].

However I am no expert on the French Revolution.

But there's no question that the destructive, violent mayhem-dealing impulse which is in so many of us -- see which video games are the most popular -- is given great magnification, with the restraints removed, if you believe you're doing it not for self-gratification, but in the cause of Virtue.

I think Anti-Fa are mainly the lumpen-petty-bourgeoisie ... basically middle class kids who, due to the prosperity of American capitalism, don't have to work at a full time job. Anti-Fa gives them an excuse for destructive behavior. You can pretend you're being a revolutionary, without having to do that tedious stuff that the old Left had to do -- getting jobs in factories and organizing unions and leading strikes. One of the downsides of ending conscription forty years ago.

But... the 'Left' is complex, just as the 'Right' is. In particular, I believe that their attitude towards violent Islamism is complicated. One the one hand, the Islamists do cause problems for the imperialists. On the other hand, they throw homosexuals off the tops of buildings.

So it's not surprising to find some American socialists going to Syria to join up with the Kurds to fight ISIS. Have a look at this fellow: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/04/brace-belden-pisspiggranddad-syria-isis.html

It's true that the Left almost universally cheered the Iranian Revolution in 1979 -- they thought the Islamists leading it were as superficial and light-minded as they were themselves, and that the stated goals of the Islamists were just rhetoric. But the Islamists were dead serious. People like Michel Foucault, who initially were very enthusiastic about this wonderful anti-American anti-imperialist uprising, found themselves eating crow (not that he did) when the triumphant Islamists began executing Iranian leftists. More here: https://www.philosophersmag.com/opinion/80-michel-foucault-s-iranian-folly

As you probably know, there are Marxist-terrorist-Islamists -- the MEK -- who are the deadly enemies of the Iranian government, and who assassinate Iranian government officials from time to time. I think they're on both the 'officially designated terrorist group' list of the American government, and on its payroll simultaneously.

We actually should know a lot more about the American Left, in detail, than we do. There are contradictions there, which can be taken advantage of. For instance, there is Anti-Fa in Richmond Virginia, which, for whatever reason, does not seem to be the same as their Portland comrades. This may be just prudent concern for their physical safety, or may be something more -- perhaps they know that the average pro2A conservative is not a Nazi.. This article is interesting: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/antifa-group-march-pro-gun-135931200.html