"Virginia Democrats won an election. Gun owners are talking civil war"

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  1. Sackeshi

    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    They literally invaded the state legislative chambers. What else would you call that? It is the definition of insurrection.
     
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    Only for those that do not understand the meaning of the word.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't like Americans exercising their constitutional rights?

    Swim to Cuba.
     
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    Sackeshi Well-Known Member

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    The electoral minority is trying to use armed intimidation of the legislature to get laws they were voted in by the majority to pass overturned.

    Want open empty land to shoot military weapons go to Alaska
     
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    Free speech.
    Don't like it?
    Too bad.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The "electoral minority" in Virginia, i.e., the electoral majority in 90% of Virginia's counties, lawfully and peacefully exercised their constitutional rights petitioning the legislators in Richmond. The "majority" in the less than 10% of Virginia did likewise, even though we don't hear you squawking about how they "invaded" the "state house", to use your own unhinged rhetoric.

    Don't like Americans exercising their constitutional rights?

    Swim to Cuba.

    FYI, the U.S. military isn't issuing its weapons to civilians, and neither is the National Guard here in Virginia.
     
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    Just so you are aware, no military uses an AR-15. Not ours, or any other nation. As the AR is not suited for or designed for military use.
     
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    Empty farmland and wilderness does not have a vote, going by county makes no sense as a voting system because the lowest populated has 2K and the most has 1.5M

    They failed to stop the vote anyway which is good.

    And as I have said before these "backwood" people would have kept using their guns the same as before with no one knowing of caring because they live on a farm with their family and have no one with in seeing distance of them. They are making a huge fuss out of nothing. These laws are for population centers.

    Now tell me if the state granted what many have asked for and gave said counties independent status (all those pro second amendment counties forming what they are calling "North Virginia"?) how long they would sustain. I think considerably less would vote to join North Virginia vs Sanctuary status.
     
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    Your opinion doesn't matter.
     
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    It's the supreme courts opinion, which is why state senators being elected by the same way as the US senate was ruled unconstitutional
     
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    You have no idea what you're talking about.
     
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    How can you "invade" that which belongs to you?
     
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    It does not belong to them, they are not in power in any function. So they are required to just take what is passed and deal with it. or leave the state.
     
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    I don't know what state or country you live in, but the land doesn't vote in any of our counties here in Virginia, the people do. That includes the majority of the people/voters in over 90% of the counties in Virginia.

    We've overturned some of the measures that were passed recently before. The good news is that Democrats have brought a lot of Virginians off the political sidelines and revived a moribund Virginia GOP.

    The laws are being passed for everyone, and they will do little to nothing to stop gun violence in Virginia because those laws don't address the issues that drive the vast majority of the gun violence in the Commonwealth. However, it does provide Democrats with the opportunity to appear that they are doing something to the credulous saps who think they are.

    As for confiscating the legal firearms of law-abiding Virginians, Richard Saslaw's unenforceable gun confiscation scheme was withdrawn, so all the law-abiding citizens of Virginia, whether they live in a rural or urban area, will be able to keep their legal firearms. At this point, we don't know what the language in the so-called "assault" weapon ban is, so that remains to be seen, passed/rejected and perhaps challenged in court.

    I haven't heard any of that talk and I'm not going to waste any time contemplating a scenario that will never happen. The people and governments in the sanctuary counties aren't seceding from the state, they're merely making it known that they will not enforce and comply with the new gun measures where applicable. The Democrats in Richmond will have to rely on state, not local, resources to enforce it. It's essentially no different than the localities that have declared themselves sanctuaries for illegal immigrants.
     
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    We'll stay here and ignore the laws and we'll lawfully exercise our First Amendment right to petition our public officials in Richmond because the Capitol belongs to all of the citizens of the Commonwealth of Virginia, not just the people you agree with.

    Don't like people exercising their constitutional rights in the Capitol that belongs to the people?

    Swim to Cuba. The Land of the Free is not for you.
     
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    The GOP is dead in VA just like the rest of the north east minus PA and Maine.
    Maybe they could get real solutions passed like passing a word for word copy of canadian gun control if they didn't have to put up with gun nuts coming out of the woods and protesting ****ing background checks.
    The federal courts won't strike down the assault weapons ban just like how they have kept up every other ban from the other 8-10 states that have put it in law.

    Fair enough, but what would also be fair is to remove state level aid from those counties until they comply.

    I guess its not super majority so they will still fight, ever wonder why the GOP never makes in MD and Mass despite having GOP governor? Because they know teh legislature could impeach them in one fell swoop.
     
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    Yawn.
     
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    To shoot things with.
     
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    Do you think the Virginia legislature will pass such legislation?
     
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    This would require an amendment that repeals the 2nd.

    None of them have been challenged in court yet.
     
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    You're talking about legislation enacted by the general government? Which of its legislative powers (hint: article one, section eight) would permit such legislation?
     
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    If they end up killing someone in these armed marches then yes, minus the Alaska thing.
    Nope the supreme court said their ruling does not stop common restrictions on criminals or mentally ill.
    In 2017 a federal court upheld MD law https://www.baltimoresun.com/politics/bs-md-assault-rifle-ban-ruling-20170221-story.html
    Um no by the state of Virginia.
     
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    That isn't what you called for. What you called for needs an amendment.
    right, not the supreme court.

    the state of virginia is precluded from enacting laws that violate the US constitution.
     
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    Violate how?
     
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