Right to repair.

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Polydectes, Jan 21, 2020.

  1. 61falcon

    61falcon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2018
    Messages:
    21,436
    Likes Received:
    12,227
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Parts for any kind of equipment can come from any country in the world today.Just look at our Boeing 737MAX which has been grounded for almost a year or more now, parts for it are made in a whole multitude of different countries,the same is true of virtually every vehicle made.
     
  2. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,276
    Likes Received:
    18,037
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    When did you get the idea that I was pressing charges. I'm discussing on a discussion forum. If you don't want to discuss things what are you doing here?

    Still in the dark. This is not about a product it's about a service. You can't learn how to do the service if there is a property gateway that you can't get through.

    There is no competition, this is about the elimination of a free market and you are appear to be supporting that.
     
    Labouroflove likes this.
  3. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,276
    Likes Received:
    18,037
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What on Earth does this have to do with the topic.
     
  4. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2009
    Messages:
    5,805
    Likes Received:
    1,678
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Oh, my mistake, you just want to btch, not be enlightened. Ok. My bad.
     
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2020
  5. onetruename

    onetruename Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2017
    Messages:
    535
    Likes Received:
    287
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    So you like communism in some cases but not others??
     
  6. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2009
    Messages:
    5,805
    Likes Received:
    1,678
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Silly boy. Stuck in the concrete? Abstractions too high for you to reach? What can one do?
     
  7. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,276
    Likes Received:
    18,037
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Posturing bores me.
     
    Labouroflove likes this.
  8. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2009
    Messages:
    5,805
    Likes Received:
    1,678
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Providing a product, and/or service, at a quality and price no one can beat is not a sin of the free market, it’s the free market’s reward for being better than anyone else.
     
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2020
  9. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2009
    Messages:
    5,805
    Likes Received:
    1,678
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Try stiffening your spine.
     
  10. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,276
    Likes Received:
    18,037
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No you seem to be defending a communistic ideal.
     
  11. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,276
    Likes Received:
    18,037
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    More posturing:bored:
     
  12. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,276
    Likes Received:
    18,037
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Never had anybody not understand what posturing meant.

    Anyway, you have no idea what you are talking about. I don't think you have a form grasp on capitalism. Now all you seem to be doing is trying to cover your ignorance (which is what posturing means) and I've no interest in that.

    No charge for the lesson.

    If you want to discuss the subject or if you want me to explain it to you better I will be glad to, for what it's worth I do apologize for not explaining it well enough for you to understand.
     
  13. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2009
    Messages:
    5,805
    Likes Received:
    1,678
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    He is stuck in a universe of conflicting values and contradictory principles, e.g. because farm equipment is sold with Proprietary Software (Closed Source), the poster wants to use the government’s gun to stop this practice, yet he doesn’t see that as a violation of free market principles because his needs outweigh the creator’s rights.

    In other words, if a business is so good no one can compete, there is no longer any free market, so we have to “break legs” in order to make it all fair for everyone.

    Much like whatbthe government did to Alcoa in the 1950’s.
     
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2020
  14. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,276
    Likes Received:
    18,037
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    we aren't talking about being people with price. That's a free market.

    Do you want me to explain what this is about?
    Again what I'm talking about isn't about being the most competitive in a free market it's about eliminating the free market.

    There is a reason I keep saying it's anti capitalist.

    If you are interested in understanding I'll try and explain it better.

    If you want to keep posturing I'll move on.

    Your choice.
     
  15. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2009
    Messages:
    5,805
    Likes Received:
    1,678
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And how was the market eliminated, like what computers did to typewriters? Or is it because they locked you out of software you don’t own?
     
  16. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,276
    Likes Received:
    18,037
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    because you have no ability to seek out competitors.


    Not sure what you mean by this?
    why should the manufacturer have the right to lock you out of your property and then extort you for money? Why can't I produce ransomware what is that a crime?
     
  17. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,276
    Likes Received:
    18,037
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    no, it's using the government gun to thwort Monopoly. The Monopoly eliminated the free market. Using the government to restore it is what the government should be used for.

    That's why we have antitrust laws.
    no this is not about a business being so good that nobody can compete with it. It's about a business eliminating competitors trickery and fraud.

    I tried to explain this to you but you simply appeal to authority instead of being curious what I meant.
    I'm not familiar with that so I'm not sure that that's what it's like. Based on your understanding of this topic I'm pretty sure you got that wrong.
     
  18. AKS

    AKS Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2010
    Messages:
    10,471
    Likes Received:
    4,755
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It's stupid for the reason's I've already laid out.
    Having a license does not guarantee a job will be done right, but it does raise the cost for the service. How often is a mechanic responsible for a crash anyway? I don't think I've ever heard of it happening. Not saying it doesn't, I'm sure it does. I'm also sure that requiring licenses won't reduce the number of occurrences.
    Licenses are a way to extract extra money from citizens, they are very much like another f%^&%$ tax. We do not need to grow the government, we need to shrink it.
     
  19. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,276
    Likes Received:
    18,037
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    no computers replace typewriters because there a superior product. I am all for Superior products replacing inferior ones.

    Again this is a service not a product. If you had a Superior service you wouldn't need proprietary gateways to keep better repair shops out of your product. you do this so that either you can charge 50 times what the service should really cost or so you can force your customers to use your crappy service or lose all their money in their investment.

    This is not something an honest business does, this is not something is superior repair shop would do they wouldn't need to. this is something people do to either eliminate the concept of repair, or to make sure they're incompetent repair shop gets 100% of the repairs.

    Again it is the elimination of capitalism the elimination of the free market to promote subpar or incompetent repair, so that instead of repairing something you're just forced to buy another one.

    This is how Apple has made their money.

    Are you an apple Fanboy is that why you're so defensive of this tactic?
     
  20. onetruename

    onetruename Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2017
    Messages:
    535
    Likes Received:
    287
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    Then don't buy it!!!!! I thought you were pro freedom!!!????
     
  21. onetruename

    onetruename Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2017
    Messages:
    535
    Likes Received:
    287
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    I think most here are just responding to your rank hypocrisy. How come you are against government regulations but you want government to tell a private company what they can do with a product you don't need and no one is forcing you to buy.
     
  22. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2009
    Messages:
    5,805
    Likes Received:
    1,678
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And how does Apple destroy the free market? By not employing open source coding? By locking their software?
     
  23. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,276
    Likes Received:
    18,037
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I'm not against government regulation because I'm not an anarchist.

    Government regulation should be minimal and only when it's necessary. My position on this is it's necessary.

    All you've done is call me a communist you haven't argued my position.

    Chances are you don't understand it. Because you're taking the position of anti free market.

    Free market does not require anarchy it does require government.
     
  24. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2009
    Messages:
    5,805
    Likes Received:
    1,678
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And how does one win a monopoly in free market? Like Brady and Belichick’s Patriots—-being better than anyone else. Fair? No. Just? Yes.

    So, you looking for anti-capitalist fairness or Capitalist Justice? I prefer the just over the fair.
     
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2020
  25. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,276
    Likes Received:
    18,037
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    by forcing you to go through them for repairs.

    your options are either repaired through them or throw it away.


    not there software. They are locking you out of your hardware.

    If you buy a computer from Apple is that your computer or is that their computer who owns it?
     

Share This Page