I'm tired of Trump supporters being labeled "cultists"

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  1. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I know lots of the people that use that term hate Donald Trump. I'll grant that they believe they have good reasons to do so.
    I don't like Donald Trump myself. His personal history and the way he behaves is frequently repulsive and utterly disgusting. I did not vote for him.

    But I support President Trump because I agree with most (not all) of the policies he has advanced as president and while I do not care in general for his "counterpunching" and "tweeting", I do admire considerably a Republican president who isn't afraid or unwilling to fight back.

    Finally, I believe that the efforts people have made to oppose President Trump are far more dangerous to our country than anything President Trump has done or could conceivably do.

    Thus, I find it galling to have myself (and others) labeled as "cultists". By no possible definition of the word is my support of President Trump in any way reminiscent of a cult member showing allegiance to their leader.

    While I recognize that there might be some (very few) Trump supporters who would fit that stereotype, it definitely isn't most or even the majority of Trump supporters and I'm pretty sure even Trump haters would recognize that fact if they were honest.
     
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    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ Yes I agree with this opinion and I believe many who support the Trump agenda do also. We vote for a president - not a Saint.
    I find Trump supporters are more free-thinking than they are "Republican". I think many are Independent and do not register with either party. They are the opposite of "cultists".
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What's more dangerous than trying to establish an imperial presidency, unaccountable to the only entity with the authority to check his behavior..........Congress? The DoJ office of OLC says he can't be indicted. Team Turd says he can't be investigated or convicted of a crime. Now he claims himself and everyone around him are immune from having to testify or produce documents.
    You can agree with his policies without condoning the attempt to put himself above the law.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Free thinking? :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:

    I've never seen a group of people with more uniformity of thought in my life.
     
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    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ Obama is not in office any longer.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm betting you both got a chuckle out of that inaccurate whataboutism. Care to address what I wrote?
     
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    Democrats HATE independent thought, and they destroy any Democrat that doesn’t follow orders.
     
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    He hasn't. An unwillingness to kowtow to the dictates of the unlawful actions of a power mad democratically controlled house is not putting one's self above the law it is merely common sense.
     
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    Im certain Trump haters are sick of it as well. As much as I agree with the perception of the radical left as a collectivist cult, I'm certain individualusts seem just as culty to them. This is to be expected in partisan polarization. The only remedy is to promote open discussion of ideas and at least try to empathize with (note: I didn't say agree with or adopt) eachothers perspective and try to appeal to eachother in a manner thats more understandable.

    The alternative is innevitable bloodshed.
     
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    I agree with you. If I was as rich as Trump and ran around in the same circles, we might be acquainted, but we wouldn’t be friends.

    But I support him for what he has done and is trying to do for the country. I don’t have to like the guy to support him. People who call his supporters “cultists” don’t know what they’re talking about.
     
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    If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's fairly reasonable to assume it's a duck until proven otherwise.

    So what you're telling me is that although you do not like what Trump tweets, or says, because he appears to be fulfilling your political wishlist, everything else he does is okay. Gotcha.

    Your political wishlist is secondary to maintaining the laws of the land and the defense of our Constitution. That you cannot, or refuse to comprehend, the importance to our republic to keep a system of checks and balances is either ignorance, or cultish behavior. If you do not like being labelled a cultist, then demonstrate a higher level of thinking critically over your so called champion, Donald J Trump.
     
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    I'd never label someone a cultist just for supporting Trump as the lesser of two evils, but there are those who elevate him above all criticism, even the basic observation that he lies all of the time or that he abuses his office. Not everyone who supports Trump (or even most that support him) are a cult, but he definitely has a cult of personality following him, and the GOP is so terrified of that cult that they resist criticizing abuse of power. We've gone from a party who used to at least claim to stand for limited government to one who will vehemently oppose limitation on government power so long as Trump is the one in power.
     
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    I'm sure there are many Dems like that. And the same philosophy is what is holding Trump above all criticism.
     
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    The speed with which they dispatch any "Republican" who dares challenge him on any count is testament to the contrary. There is nothing "free-thinking" about following the every chaotic whim of the figurehead of a cult of personality.
     
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    Guilty as charged. Yet, there is something decidedly weird about those Trump supporters that will either support or discount Trump's behavior no matter how egregious or unlawful. About 50% of voters went for Trump in 2016 while 50% went for the other guy. For good reason. Both candidates were equally corrupt, but Hillary ignored the white working class to embrace elites and minorities. That had become SOP for Democrats and the neglected majority stood up and shouted, "Enough!"

    It would appear Trump's support has dwindled since 2016. Two reasons for this are that the Democrats have awoken to the fact that elitism and minority votes aren't the important voting block in America. Reality has taken over. A portion of people that voted for Trump are having second thoughts. Trump has been political shock and awe to American politics and the craziness goes on and on and on. Trump fatigue has finally kicked in. Impeachment is just another, "Oh god now what" moment in the Trumpian landscape. Trump's glitter has tarnished (I suspect Hillary's would have too).

    Now we have a Trump minority of about 40% and I strongly suspect only a portion of these are crazies, but they tarnish the rest. So, where are we now? Democrats have, with the exception of a noisy few, learned their lesson. Not much is being said about Trump on the Democratic campaign trail; health care, wages, education, infrastructure, climate change, and immigration have taken over. New Democrats have caught hold and are winning in big numbers, which is a good thing because they are now focused on the right things. This focus will propel them into the White House in 2020.
     
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    We ASSUME that Dirty Donalds followers are a cult because thinking rational people could not possibly fall for his egomaniacal thoughts and actions.The ONLY thing he cares about is himself and his own graven image.
     
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    "I'm tired of Trump supporters being labeled "cultists""

    not all are, many are though

    I supported Trump in the beginning, don't anymore, but was never part of a cult following

    I have more respect for people that admit what Trump did in Ukraine was wrong, but they do not want to remove him for it, those that try to deny he even did it and say the call was "perfect" seem more cultish to me

    I had one cult fan I spoke too say Trump never lies... that is a big sign if one can't even admit that he lies a lot
     
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    And if anything it is this that will defeat Trump in 2020. We may love our 401K's but we HATE fawning toadies.
     
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    Would “Heretic” be more acceptable?

    As in one that rejects generally accepted belief.

    As in this country’s heretics.
     
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    ~ Would that be the "progressive" Democrats ?
     
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    And once again like many Trump opponents (including several among the House impeachment managers), you presume to know what I've thinking and why.
     
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    So you don't think that "thinking rational people" could support many of the policies President Trump has advanced?
     
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    You wanna see cultist look at the Bernie Bros we support Trump and defend him because of his policies not his personality or his business acumen. You attack him and his voters with zero proof and a great deal of zeal based purely on beliefs that simply don't match reality that is cultish in and of itself.
     
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    Bernie Bros exist. So do Trumpie bros. Many of them try defending him on questionable business acumen.
     
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    Never seen it.
     

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