China coronavirus: Death toll rises as more cities shut down

Yeah, I was thinking Outbreak with Dustin Hoffman earlier today. The monkey virus gets set loose on California!

 

This video suggests that we are evacuating American citizens from China. The only U.S. news I see says we are evacuating our people from the Wuhan consulate, plus a few citizens on a "very limited seating" single plane.



https://news.yahoo.com/u-says-evacuate-consulate-staff-041757390.html

 

Honestly, there's a pretty noticeable difference between the Mexican beer you get INSIDE Mexico and the watered-down, stale crap they export to the United States.

I used to live in El Paso, and we'd get beers like 'Bohemia' (which I absolutely LOVED) in Ciudad Juarez, across the Rio Grande. Tell you what -- that Bohemia beer was excellent! But Corona? Meh... and then, to make things worse, somehow some moron (probably a Gringo like me) decided that it was wonderful to put citrus slices in the damned beer. What an idiotic idea!

We used to have high-quality, 100% agave tequila (like Herradura) with beer chasers -- but never, ever, did we have beer with slices of fruit in it....

Anyway, back on topic, I wonder how bat soup would go with Corona-and-lime. After that, you might not mind dying so much....

. "Waiter! Make that a double slice of lime in the Corona!"

 

My understanding is that the cause for the outbreak was some type of seafood. So far, Charlie Tuna hasn't commented. I don't think anyone knows for sure except that most virus's similar to this strain have originated in animals and are passed to humans who eat the infected animals.

 

Duplicate delete - due to extreme lag time.

 

A 1,000 bed hospital is due to be finished by Feb. 5th. It is to be a makeshift hospital. It will similar to an Army field hospital, tents, possibly partly inflatable, probably not much more than a lot of cots.

 

Bad seafood is always a possibility, but it is a factor more in diseases like hepatitis.

All seafood from the Pacific Ocean is a thing I had to give up after seeing what the wrecked Fukushima Daiichi nuclear reactor sites in Japan have dumped into the ocean, and continue to dump into the ocean to this day. Now, the only seafood that you can trust (more or less) to be 'safe' is whatever you can get from the North Atlantic. It really messed me up because I used to eat a LOT of Alaskan salmon, Pacific halibut, etc. No more... and not since the disaster happened in Japan.

 

That makes sense.

I just saw that Hong Kong protesters set fire to an empty public housing building that was supposed to be used as a temporary quarantine facility.

Hard to know what's real and what's propaganda, coming from China. (Worse than fake news here! )

 

~ This thing is giving Batman a bad name ...

. "Waiter! Make that a double slice of lime in the Corona!"

 

This is sort of an interesting look at the Wuhan shutdown from Brit living there. Looks like there is plenty of food available at the grocery...and the lines are not very long considering the situation.

 

Wuhan is a highly industrialized city of over 11 million located in central China that most people here have never heard of. It is like Chicago is to the USA except for many more people and they still make a LOT of stuff there that used to be made in Chicago.

It takes 28 days for concrete to cure but you can walk on it after 7-8 days. I doubt this containment hospital will even have a concrete slab floor. More likely, rubberized or steel plate over sand and gravel, maybe just bamboo mats, seriously. They can build faster than we can since they have no regulations and this is an emergency for them, still there are limits as to what is possible in 10 days or less.

 

And I am often reminded that people, all people, tend to project on to other people what they themselves are actually feeling.

You seem to be no exception to that rule.

 

This guy is talking about there being an "impermeable" layer under the hospital and waste containment.

 

The impermeable layer is what we call a moisture barrier, plastic sheeting normally 4 mil thickness under concrete. For their project, I would guess they might use a thicker fiberglass reinforced polyurethane moisture barrier of 8-10 mil thickness. My guess is that it will have some type of matting over it for traffic.

 

Sage advice, indeed.

I see you are not entirely up to speed on how pathogens travel from person to object, say a doorknob, to another person.

 

I saw a video they were rolling out high-density polyethylene.

They've also started a second site which is supposed to have 1300 beds.

 

Found the video. Double-layer base.

 

From what little research I did today, they are saying that this is not a deadly disease at this moment. The major concern is that the virus could mutate quickly into something much worse.

 

~ Of course not - only you are. However that was not the intent of the post.

 

Is anyone? This strain is supposed to be a novel (new) strain but more is known about other coronaviruses. While it is possible to become infected by touching an object such as a door lever no one really knows how long this virus can live in the environment.

Q. How long do coronaviruses survive in the environment?

A. In general viruses like coronaviruses do not survive a long time in the environment. Scientist are unsure how long this newly discovered coronavirus can live in the environment; however some preliminary studies by researchers in Hong Kong have indicated both dried and liquid samples of the new coronavirus survived as long as 24 hours in the environment. Additional studies are under way to examine this important question. Q. Can SARS be spread from touching contaminated objects or surfaces? A. It is possible that SARS could be spread when a person touches a contaminated object or surface; however, how often this might happen, or if it happens at all, is not known at this time. Previously identified coronaviruses (scientists have reported that a new cororavirus may be the cause of SARS) have been shown to survive in the environment for as long as 3 hours and some preliminary studies by researchers in Hong Kong have indicated both dried and liquid samples of the new coronavirus survive.

I don't know anything about the reliability of the above answer but believe it to be probably more true than not true.

http://www.experts123.com/q/how-long-do-coronaviruses-survive-in-the-environment.html

"Guidance from the CDC advises that people who have had casual contact with the patient are at "minimal risk" for developing infection."

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-arizona-california-us

 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/h...s-from-china-has-spread-so-quickly-2020-01-21

People just need to be diligently cautious and follow proper hygiene routines. Like LSG said, mutation is the biggest fear right now but we don't need those prone to panic flying into a state of nervousness that will affect those around them.

 

There is a level 4 bio-safety laboratory in Wuhan 20 miles from the market so who really knows if this was an 'accident'?

 

Oh, it's real, all right.

I work for 10 days in China in 2002, a medium city that was special in tea cultivation, but had a big boom in technology and they had an industrial park that claimed that there were 150 of the Fortune 500 companies in that park! I believed it, still not have seen anything like that, anywhere, huge, facilities bigger than Boeing assembly 747s.

But in the small grocery stores in the center of the cozy city, partly open-air that can be closed, were a collection of goods. The creatures were simply wrapped in saran wrap, by one layer and displayed. The one section were not skinned or processed, just wrapped in the saran wrap.

I didn't carry a camera, the host would send me pictures but some things like the "food court" lol. but I didn't write down but it include:

Snakes (complete head to toe)
The bats (complete)
Rats (kind off rat, but more plump and would be easier to skin and prepare - I have done that with rabbits and checkins and raccoons)
Some seafood sliced I done even know what they all were .
Crickets. Big crickets!
A odd bug I dont know what it was.
Several Kinds of big beetles.
Multiple kinds of rodents like prairie dogs but not.
Eyes of what?
Scorpions

And you could smell almost each thing, pick it up and smell to get the idea of what kind shape it was. But dead snake smelled like dead snake, some other critters smelled alot too.

 

I can tell you that I'm in very good shape both physically and mentally. like my username, I'm not just 'feeling' lucky, I am. You?

Here's an interesting article that sort of supports what I wrote. What do you have?

https://www.newsweek.com/attractive-people-vote-democrat-republican-easier-lives-study-794966

 

I live, work, cohabitate, and associate with Democrats and left-leaning individuals on a daily basis, and not one of them exhibit the characteristics listed in your post. Which would lead me to believe that you are simply projecting your own feelings onto those with whom you disagree. It is a fairly well documented psychological occurrence, so don't feel too bad when you are called out on it. You are just being you. Accept that.