New German Battle Ship capable to fire projectiles into space

Wow,
many people reckon I am a bit of a nutter, slightly left, but more a dogooder than else. But to read such as sentence beggars belief:

In my humble opinion with the hindsight of 75 years, I can see that Hitler was too goodhearted and too naive.

Whether I am brainwashed, hmmmm, I leave that for others to judge. I have not reached your age yet, but I have never come across anyone who puts Nazi Germany in such a glorifying and romanticizing light as you have.

I have to leave it there, my heart is too sad to further reply.....

 

quiet a load of BS

 

Usually they work too well, that's why we have to sink them so often.

 

So, you are just throwing around an accusation, but refuse to prove it?
O.k., let me take it from there.

Discussing the Holocaust is not denying it!! Of course, there was a "Holocaust"!!

 

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I haven't to prove anything. We are not in a courtroom and you are not David Irving.
You know your view of the Holocaust. And me too.

What do you mean by the quotes? Do you have a different definition of the Holocaust? Implicit Holocaust denial by rejecting the meaning of the word isn't new.

 

Two points:

1) There is zero credible evidence that General Patton was murdered.
2) There was absolutely ZERO support in the U.S. and Britain for continuing the war but against the Soviets instead of the Germans.

 

Germany's successor to Hitler 'Dönitz' wanted to continue the war against the Soviets. He wanted to complete the work that his "fuhrer" had started, with the help of the allies.

Nobody took this clown seriously. He was thrown into jail like most other major Nazi criminals.

 

Claiming only 500,000 were killed and blaming Jews for even that small number is not 'discussing', it is 'denying'. There is more, but those points alone are sufficient to make the case. Anyone who reads your posts on the topic can see that you deny the reality of the Holocaust. Sadly you are just one of a number of such people who infest this board.

 

She believes the Nazis were the good guys. That is incompatible with the mass murder of innocent people.

 

they must be creating a "space force"

 

I think we can all agree the numbers have been over-exagerated, but we can also agree it was a lot, and a horrible time in Germany's history

and the minority is never to blame for mass genocide, not the Jews, not the American Indians, ect, ect....

isn't Trump a German-American?

I no more blame current Germans for their past, then current Americans for it's past, current Americans are not responsible for slavery, the American Indians, ect.. people of the past were

 

Considering that most of the numbers of those killed by the Germans in the concentration camps were sources by the German themselves I'm pretty sure "6 million Jews and almost 6 million others" is a fairly accurate number.

Give the Nazis credit for being able to count.

 

Not one bit have they been exaggerated. They are the facts.
I find people like Jazz disgusting, or the other guy.
6 million people died during the Holocaust. Brutally murdered by Germans.
Industrial murder in Killing Factories.
Germany did not have to attack Poland, there was no need for it. The need is NAZI propaganda, nothing else.
Yes France and UK declared war, but only because Germany started the war, by invading Poland.

Repeating the old NAZI propaganda is as bad, as trying to down play the Holocaust, its just disgusting.

No white wash possible.

 

France and the UK had a support pact with Poland. Like today's NATO. They were obliged to help each other if one is attacked. So they declared war on Germany after the Nazis invaded Poland. But in fact, they didn't do much.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoney_War

 

Germans are rather good at record keeping. The NAZI were not just good but more than outstanding doing so.
The dark figure, how many tens of th

Well naturally they had to do that, they were allies of Poland. Germany was betting on them not doing it.
When they did, Germany had to answer, because its goal was the Soviet Union, Lebensraum. It had to defeat France and the UK, once it started with Poland, or a 2 fronts war would happen.
Did it work no. It was just a 2/3 victory in France and a defeat with the UK.
But the most important part, Germany invaded Poland for no good reason and doing so started the war and than made it a world war by invading the USSR.
France, 2/3 of it and the Brits pushed back on their island and Poland would have never created a WW.
It was the invasion of the USSR.

 

That depends what 'we' think the numbers are. There is plenty of evidence for five to six million. Other numbers in that vicinity might also be supportable. Personally I can't think of a regularly quoted figure I've seen that qualifies as 'exaggerated'.

That we can agree on.

Hardly seems relevant.

Germans do not bear responsibility for their past, but they do bear responsibility for their current attitudes. On that score they seem to do very well, with some unfortunate exceptions. There are always those who simply cannot accept the truth or those who are so consumed by hate they cannot recognise it.

 

Hitler destroyed German patriotism. In other countries, you can see national flags everywhere. When a German hoists the German flag in his garden, he is considered an evil nationalist or neo-Nazi.

 

To 1) Naturally his murder wasn't announced on CNN; meaning it was well disguised and fogged in.

To 2) Your wording is confusing to me. Patton wanted to fight the Russians: "What the hell do we care what the Russians think? Sooner or later, we're going to have to fight them anyway, Let's do it now while our army is still intact and we can kick their hind end back into Russia in three months."
That he had no support was obvious. Stalin was an ally of the US.

 

Hilarious.

Meanwhile, the US has wasted trillions of dollars on numerous failed wars that only caused chaos.

Maybe Americans should worry about fixing their own corrupt and dysfunctional government before they point the finger at Germany.

 

The US is also quite good at killing innocent civilians. The number of innocent civilians killed by the US military is easily in the millions. Hell, the US committed arguably the worst genocide in history when it exterminated the native Americans. The history of the US is absolutely horrific and blood soaked.

 

Here's a result you may be interested in... Germany just posted a budget surplus of about $13.5 billion, whereas the US just posted a budget deficit of about $1 trillion. Apparently, Trump's had more trouble "draining the swamp" than he anticipated.

 

What stunning hypocrisy.

Germany is one of the most peaceful countries in the world.

The US is the one invading and destroying country after country.

 

If Americans want other countries to stop leeching off them, then all they have to do is vote accordingly. Instead, Americans keep voting for the same politicians and the same policies. So I'm not sure what you're complaining about. This is what you voted for.

 

As opposed to the US, which always tells the truth...