World Health Organisation calls coronavirus "international emergency", but opposes travel bans

The World Health Organisation is advising against travel bans on people coming from China, but many countries are ignoring that advice as they say it's unnecessary. Apparently they also said that it would create "fear and stigma" which is political talk, not medical, and seriously throws into question the legitimacy of the WHO. Are they a bunch of leftist hacks? I find it interesting that a bunch of countries, using the advice of their own experts have gone against this advice.

https://www.technologyreview.com/f/...rus-is-officially-an-international-emergency/

 

A reduction of travel may have been done some good before now, but the Corona Virus is out of the bag around the world now.

A month from now, many countries will have their epidemics going going strong. A cooperative effort to manufacture enormous amounts of health supplies and food and survival supplies.

The USA is already overloaded with Flu cases, along with the usual overload numbers of inadequate hospitals and doctors in many areas.

Rather hiding out, coordinating around the world for supplies and science will help shrinking this pandemic.

Oh, enough Pollyanna talk! Let's get back to the latest NCIS episodes and gun comparing!

 

I meant to say: The World Health Organisation is advising against travel bans on people coming from China, as they say it's unnecessary, but many countries are ignoring that advice.

 

"BEFORE now?" So it will do absolutely ZERO good NOW?

 

At least you now make clear where you stand, it has become so obvious, right right right, further right, conservative to the extreme. And it is not the subject which matters (as many of us witnessed).
So the WHO is a bunch of lefties, what else could they be?
I knew it all along where you stand.....................
Mate,
it is so disgusting,
reg.

 

What do you mean "the subject?"

I am asking the question. "Fear and stigma" has nothing to do with HEALTH and everything to do with political correctness, which the left obviously ADORES.

Being on the right is "discusting?" Surely you can't be serious!

 

WHO is bein PC along with bending over backwards to defend a communist fascist country they love. A travel ban on China is obviously called for.

 

Exactly.

 

Or.. maybe just being responsible with the evidence.

 

Granny says dey need to stop Muslims an' Chinese...

... from comin' to America!

 

What evidence? The only information officials of other countries receive is from the Chinese government which is notoriously dishonest in such matters.

There is no time to wait and see when threatened with a possible pandemic. Quick action is essential even if it later turns out to have been overly cautious.

 

I sure am glad not to be on a cruise ship near Yokohama. Because quarantine is the right thing to do.

 

Hmm, maybe you have a point. So, until we have strong evidence that there isn't a crisis, we should take drastic action to be sure?

 

In the case of possible pandemics, yes, but the actions needed are not all that drastic.

 

Oh? What are those actions? And what is the equation we use to determine how much we do to respond to what?

 

It is disappointing, if sadly unsurprising, to see this topic politicised in the OP. I suppose some people just can't look at a set of events without trying to force them into some sort of politically partisan framework.

The WHO is in a very different position to individual governments and has to take a different approach. Governments focus on their individual nations, as they should. The WHO has to look at how it best manages relations with multiple governments so it can best do its work.

Unfortunately the heart of this epidemic is a notoriously secretive and thin skinned government that is entirely capable of cutting off vital information & access if it doesn't like something the WHO does or says. That could potentially cause much greater harm than failing to advise limits on travel. There is nothing stopping nations from ignoring any piece of WHO advice, including on travel.

I'm sure one of the self-indoctrinated here will find a way to wedge all of this into some sort of ideological framework. A reminder that at a certain point ideological belief & mental illness are all but impossible to tel apart.

 

In the case of the coronavirus travel bans and quarantine of suspected individuals for now. Not very drastic as they will hopefully be temporary measures.

Equation? I guess I don't understand your meaning. It seems it would be self evident that the infected need to be isolated from the non infected. If those measures fail to contain the virus what do you suggest?

 

Correct. The worst thing is that until a week or longer, we have no idea who has HAS the disease!

This secretive virus is multiplying very fast. In other diseases, often quarantine works because symptoms show early in their infection concurrently. Doesn't give other people the illness until the infected person shows the symptoms.

This Coronavirus has shown estimates of 3 to 10 days of ability to infect other people BEFORE any symptoms appear. Particularly, the elevated temperatures were used to let people know they or the authorities were sick, and could quarantine or send away potentially Ill people.

Now, people can be ill with this Coronavirus for a week and a half (or longer, actually), no fever, no sickness, yet infecting people all around themselves, and the newly infected can do the tge same to more other.

Indications also are some people who are infected are essentially "carriers" and don't show symptoms ever, or much later.

So many other countries have a small number of infected people, but it is near certainty that they have a significant number of infected already in Europe, North America and elsewhere.

By stopping necessary travel, commerce, health tools and personal, is accomplishing nothing except making everything more difficult and wasteful when the healthy people need to do MORE .

For instance, the number of already infected people in North America will very quickly overwhelm even with ZERO new infected coming from China or anywhere else. At thhis extremely fast infection rate, a complete shutdown of travel will only add a few days of extra time before the numbers look like China anyway! Complete shutdown makes food, medicine, health care, and how long can the USA essentially shutdown the economy, assuming shutdown would actually stop the pandemic, but it won't!

And the USA has little ability to take steps China has taken to try to stop this disease. And with a the firepower available for all sides will try to enforce their will to everyone else, the death toll will be enormous.

And people will be driving up and down North, Central, and South America trying to find safe places, food, etc, spreading their disease to anywhere that may have not already be infected.

Maybe a month ago, maybe we could have shut down North America. Now? Way too late.

 

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The WHO is a branch of the UN..we all know that the UN is not worth a penneth of piss.....

 

Who is 'we'. The International Association of Right Wing Bigots? For all the UN's Manifest faults every First World Nation on the planet has close working ties with WHO. It is one of the few UN branches that has demonstrated its worth over the years when dealing with situations like the present outbreak, largely because its remit requires people with technical and medical expertise in key roles rather than the usual chair warming bureaucrats that to many UN branches get stacked with.

If nothing else the US government under Trump is co-operating closely with WHO during the current health emergency which, given the current administration's general view on all things 'UN' says a lot about about the status of WHO.

And no I am not a fan of working with the UN I've had that experience and it did nothing but confirm my worst expectations - point being I wasn't working with WHO staff but rather other parts of the org. IMO WHO deserves a much better home than the UN but the situation is what it is. Don't tar all parts of the UN with the same brush that all.

 

"Demonstrated its worth..."...gimme a break....
The WHO ignored the Cholera outbreak in Ethiopia...
The WHO wanted all countries not to ease travel to and from China..
Of course, their leader, an Ethiopian muppet doesn't tell the world that Ethiopia
is indebted to China in the sum of 1.30 trillion kshs, second only (amongst African countries) to Angola...
Of course the muppet would bow down to China...
The UN also has a bloc of 60 nations out of the 195 member nations which
are favourable to muslim inspired resolutions....
Gets a bit murky doesn't it.....

 

Does it's "remit" also include giving out political advice?

 

I was only aware of the travel ban on people coming from China, which I'm not sure would be stopping "necessary travel" as you said. However, are you saying that all of these other things are being stopped/shut down? Can you link to a news story mentioning it?

A complete shutdown of travel from China, or ALL travel? I assume that all travel has not been shut down.

What steps has China taken which the US doesn't have the ability to do? This doesn't seem right.

What do you mean "firepower?"

 

Which outbreak was that?

Murky? Oh you can say that again! I remember when they put Afghanistan on it's Human Rights Council!

 

What evidence?