Trump: We have Serious Economic Concerns

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  1. kriman

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    You are buying into the anti-military propaganda. Very few of those constitute a sizeable presence. Many of these are embassies and liaison offices. For instance we have US military in China and Russia. Are we occupying China and Russia?
     
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    I explained why medical costs are much higher in the US. Making silly comments about it is pointless.
     
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    Sorry. I ignored occupation as a red herring.
     
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    FISCAL YEAR INDIVIDUAL INCOM… CORPORATE INCOM… SOCIAL INSURANCE AND RET…
    2018 estimate $1,977,142.00 $450,377.00 $1,280,054.00
    2017 estimate $1,843,569.00 $430,148.00 $1,218,321.00
    2016 estimate $1,700,022.00 $401,324.00 $1,160,286.00
    2015 estimate $1,551,774.00 $376,091.00 $1,084,566.00

    https://taxfoundation.org/federal-tax-revenue-source-1934-2018

    Up in all categories
     
  6. LangleyMan

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    Let me help you.
    • As late as 2017, Trump was promising not to cut rates for the top bracket. He said they didn't need a tax cut.
    • 85% of the Trump personal tax cut went to people making more than $400,000 per year.
    • Tax revenue dropped after the tax cuts.
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    This from an economist (me!) who didn't support either party in 2016.
     
  7. kriman

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    Since they pay more than 85% of the taxes, that makes perfect sense.
     
  8. LangleyMan

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    This from the St. Louis Federal Reserve.

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    Trump doubled the federal deficit to more than $1t. We're like your neighbor who has a new truck, went on a long vacation, and remodeled the kitchen--on credit.
     
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    Sorry...but think research will show you that government workers are actually living, breathing people who use their incomes to purchase things like homes, cars, and the other products of the economy. They are part of the "demand" side of the economy and those who profit from the sale of such products don't really care about the origin of their purchasing power.
     
  10. LangleyMan

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    Not when the economic system is tilted against the average guy.

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  11. kriman

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    With the help of the democratic house, of course.
    It is hard to cut the taxes of people who pay no taxes.
     
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    They pay lots of taxes, just not income taxes.

    How much longer do you think the average guy is going to put up wth this...?

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    Real wages are just 7.5% higher than in 1979, and we're nearing the end of a long expansion with the prospect of real wages dropping when the economy slows or goes into recession.
     
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    kriman, we are talking about real figures in real time.

    Cutting the DOD budget in half leaves us with three times the force of China and Russia combined.

    Now you change the field by adding NK and Iran. That does not change the dynamics.

    The US can kick butt on all four at the same time.
     
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    You mean the GOP house of course, kriman. Please be accurate, you know better.
     
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    The problem will be when banks cannot make a profit on lending, and the banks are scraping near the bottom now.
     
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    You need to go back and look at the actual military strengths, not just the expenditures.

    China alone has one and half times the number of military personnel than we do.
     
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    Factual numbers and shows it ain't in the backs of the middle class.
     
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    Trump has a more serious problem: he is not liked by enough voters.

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    All of our forces overseas total 200,000. They would be swallowed up trying to occupy Iran, a nation of 80m.

    A major war and occupation would likely require a military draft. Vietnam war protests in that case would look like a walk in the park.
     
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    no I’m pointing out we are illegally occupying 150 countries.

    we are occupying any country where we have a military presence.
     
  21. JakeStarkey

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    The US is not invading any country, much less than the four mentioned.

    Why? South Korea, Vietnam, Kuwait, and Iraq demonstrates that we can battles but not the peace.

    Our air force and naval components are fully capable of keeping them in their countries.
     
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    Since Russia and China have military forces in the US, they must be occupying the US.
     
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    Since you are not quoting any one, I have no idea who you are addressing or what is your point.
     
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    Every dollar that those workers have was paid for by taxes removing GDP growth from the private sector. The only entity capable of creating GDP growth is the private sector with international sales.

    Every dollar the government spends, including payroll, is a bet loss in economic growth.
     

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