I've grown tired of the repeated disinformation about collusion.

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Post the cite I don't have time to waste on bling links. Who did he say on the Trump campaign coordinated with the Russian government and cite from the report.
     
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    They never had one to investigate.
     
  3. Bluesguy

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    What was the lie?
     
  4. Bluesguy

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    Any reasonable persons would not find a bribe, and extortion or a qui pro quo. Not one of the Democrats witnesses testified they knew of a quid pro quo.
     
  5. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean except for Sondland?
     
  6. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You'll just have to forgive me if I don't cut and paste things from the links I provide to save you the trouble of reading the articles yourself. As for Mueller's report, it's readily available for you to read.
     
  7. Bluesguy

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    So you can't support what you said........gotcha. It's not my obligation to read some blind link and try to pick out what you claimed, that burden is on you.
     
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    He withdrew the claim he knew of a quid pro quo.
     
  9. struth

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    Soudland testified that there was not a quid pro quo....in fact he was the only witness to actually speak to the President, who specifically told him that there was not one.

    The Dems own witnesses destroyed their case.
     
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    Yes, but since that was not reported by Rachel Maddow of MSNBC . . . it never happened.
     
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    Furthermore. That "lack of evidence" to make a determination one way or another was due to obstruction of justice. Which was proven on the Mueller Report.

    It's a "circular" plot: Trump denies the evidence, and then announces: "you don't have the evidence". He even bragged about it.

    I don't know what will happen in 2020. But I can tell you one thing: if Democrats want to lose the House and the Senate in 2022, they will allow Trump's crimes to remain uninvestigated after the next elections.
     
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    Mueller never said there was Obstruction of Justice....the lack of evidence, is because there is a lack of evidence...that's the odd language Mueller's 13 angry Dems used when they were in search of a crime, but they couldn't find one.

    Trump is completely exonerated at this point...Mueller's 13 Angry Dems wrote the report, they gave it to Shifty, and even the Dems in the House couldn't find anything to impeach.
     
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    272 instances of contacts between Trump campaign officials and Russian agents are mentioned in the report. Here is just one example

    Mueller (page 185): In brief, the key facts are that, on June 3, 2016, Robert Goldstone emailed Donald Trump Jr., to pass along from Emin and Aras Agalarov an "offer" from Russia's "Crown prosecutor" to "the Trump campaign" of "official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to [Trump Jr. 's] father." The email described this as "very high level and sensitive information" that is "part of Russia and its government's support to Mr. Trump-helped along by Aras and Emin." Trump Jr. responded: "if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer." Trump Jr. and Emin Agalarov had follow-up conversations and, within days, scheduled a meeting with Russian representatives that was attended by Trump Jr ., Manafort , and Kushner. The communications setting up the meeting and the attendance by high-level Campaign representatives support an inference that the Campaign anticipated receiving derogatory documents and information from official Russian sources that could assist candidate Trump's electoral prospects.
     
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    Yep, the Russians were attempting to influence the election...the Obama Admin knew it, and never said anything to the campaigns.....tragic

    We know this.
     
  15. Bluesguy

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    COORDINATION
     
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    The Russian collusion hoax is OVER. @Lee Atwater , maybe its time to stop being obsessed over it? This can't be healthy!
     
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    notice how quickly they ran away from Ukraine quid pro quo, now it’s back to russia. Next month there will be another bombshell.. oh wait, there is already one - Barr wanting to reduce possible 9 year sentence of someone just for lying and president tweeting about it (barr’s boss who has legal and constitutional authority to get involved).
     
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    It is probably time to let it go. Spend your time looking forward rather than backward. It will serve you better.
     
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    It is exactly that kind of disingenuous, 6th degree of separation bullshyte, that allows right wing conspiracy theories.................with no basis in fact.....................never to be extinguished.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would, if you folks would just stop misrepresenting the past.
     
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    Wrong! Mueller showed the evidence that Trump committed obstruction of justice in ten instances (at least). And in four of them he showed that the evidence was enough to warrant a criminal conviction.
     
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    odd...where did that happen in the report and how come nobody told Shifty and Nancy?
     
  23. Bluesguy

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    I guess the truth hurts then.
     
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    What the f... hell? Of course he told the campaigns!

    God! It's surprising what Fox and the echo-chamber convince their gullible audience of.

    I respond to a false statement, and as soon as I prove it's false, you just come back and make an even more outrageous one. This is why I vow not to send serious responses to posters in my "not serious posters" list. But sometimes I forget to check... I will try to do better next time.
     
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    No he did't4...

    and they knew as early as 2014 of Russia's plans....I guess Obama's more flexible approach was to do nothing against his pal Putin.
    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/14/obama-russia-election-interference-241547

    Obama ill prepared for Russia: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/el...ssian-election-meddling-senate-intel-n1131501
     

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