HOW BAD DOES IT HAVE TO GET?

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  1. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    I want to see city dwellers stay in the city and Californians stay in California.
     
  2. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not a chance. When you turn criminal people out irresponsibly, you tell them you have no control over them. The man is this story made that clear- told them "You can't stop me! Literally laughed at their stupidity. Since they won't control themselves- they are then loose cannons. True, things are never perfect- but the dumbest thing you can do is to abdicate the duty to protect the public, and that is what this is about. In many ways what we do is it's a judgment call, but the more we advocate shoot from the hip, irresponsible thinking- the worse things get. The police everywhere tell authorities what the results are going to be, and they don't give a damn. Rules need to be reasonable- and they also must be consistent. We people know and believe the rules and laws, the majority will obey them.

    IF we have no control over lawbreakers- if we refuse to take it- then we abdicate the responsibility of protecting the public, and it becomes every man for himself.
    That leads to granting authority for street justice.
    They make movies about conditions like this- for example "Death Wish", Charles Bronson.
     
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    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    Dude, there is a whole ton of distance between letting a kid out of jail who has shoplifted a beer and the world becoming ThunderDome. Get a grip.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    You compare apples to oranges.... People prefer fantasy over reality on TV. If you want to compare apples to apples, you would need to compare Fox ratings to Game of Thrones',
     
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    It's just wealth redistribution.
     
  6. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And a kid
    The kid shopliftng a beer wouldn't be in jail, and is bail would probably be zero.
    The guy here has 139 arrests on his record- 6 of them in 6 weeks. Get a grip on the difference. Libs don't seem to be able to grasp the importance of that.
     
  7. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    And cherry-picking one case out of 100 is still an example of loosing a grasp on reality. Give us 10 cases out of 100 and maybe I'll take your argument as something other than a pathetic bit of hyperbolic grand-standing.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Liberalism ruins everything it touches.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is why nobody who's rational. cares what liberals think. They can't tell the difference between right and wrong, safe and dangerous. That kind of thinking poses a significant risk to society, because it errs on the side of stupidity instead of safety.

    The fundamental question in these things in now how much you stole- it that you stole. This is the difference between honesty and dishonesty. How it's dealt with in consequence will include value, but the nature of the act of theft does not change with the value. Except to liberals and progressives who seem to think crime is not a problem until it happens to them personally- nobody else really matters except as pawns in what they argue because it is good for themselves.
     
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    What media outlets do you trust???
     
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    For general news I tend to rely on the news organizations that have a long track record, with New York Times and Washington Post leading the pack. For the most part, I follow the news as I receive it through Google News. This usually is a good measure of what the important stories are for the day. Because I do not filter out Fox News through the Google feed, I do read some of their stories too, but my observation of this throughout the years has shown me two things in particular; their headlines tend to be more sensationalist, even though the body of the article tends to not match the headline exactly; and they also have a tendency to be a bit too local in scope. By that I mean, their approach at times is very similar to how local TV stations approach the news lineup. The phrase, "if it bleeds, it leads" still appears to be a major editorial philosophy at Fox.

    As for air and cable, I still respect the big 3, ABC, NBC, and CBS, but their influence and reporting has changed significantly. I tend to gravitate to CNN, but occasionally MSNBC.

    NPR is the single hold out that I hold in highest regard, primarily because they still do investigative reporting.
     
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    well that certainly explains your views.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think you are right. It's natural for people to want to hear things that reinforce what they want to believe, but very unwise to reject things because they don't. Being an
    informed citizen" and voter requires understanding the larger picture. In politics nobody is ever perfect; we need to understand both the strengths and weakness of people when we consider them for office. Last night I watched a FOX program that pretty soundly criticized Trump. They were right, and it was appropriate- and it wasn't the first time I had seen them do so. While they are certainly pro-Trump, they are also ready to call our what is seen as wrong. What is difficult to understand is why anyone would give credit to any "news" provider that fails to report anything but the negatives- and worse, magnifies things, invents and distort things in the effort to manipulate their viewers. Somewhere along the line, journalism simply fell victim to propaganda peddlers, and that is a great loss to the nation. Too many sheep in the younger generations.... Too many adults today that were raised on Ritalyn and protection from personal responsibility.
     
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    And MSNBS and CNN to The Twilight Zone.
     

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