The hate industry, Islam and Islamophobia

Not enough, in view of the recent Muslim terror stats I posted.

 

The "state church" of UK does not have a role in government policy. Your idea that it shows some sort of connection like that is just wrong.

You tried to claim that fascism was somehow connected to Islam. But, the fact is that there are many fascist governments that are NOT connected to Islam. There are fully secular foundations for fascism. In fact, the fascism of Saddam Husein was predomately secular. In fact, he used government policy to integrate cities with respect to their religious beliefs. One of the main directions of the govenmnt WE installed was to drive out those of the "wrong" religion - a year long extension of civil war.

I'm sick and tired of hating people for the REASON that they are Muslim.

We have a great population of Muslims in America. We have Muslims fighting and dying for directions we champion abroad.

The causes for war have strong foundations in secularism as well as from radicalism such as ISIS - a tiny group that is fought against by MUSLIMS. Alsmost all those killed by ISIS are Muslims. Cities predominately populated by Muslims are destroyed by ISIS. The idea of seeing ISIS as representtive of Islam could not be more profoundly ignorant.

 

Can I quote you as believing that?

 

Bombs in Sweden are mainly due to gang violence - not ISIS. ISIS claims responsibility for anything they think will improve their reputation - even when they have nothing to do with it.

 

MUSLIM gangs. Did Sweden have these problems before Muslim immigration?

http://timesofsweden.com/2020/02/03...Nkg554zUNHsD88ogzz4_tI7_xzE26GbjXeFK4s5pwrhzc

 

You claimed the separation of church and state was a great thing, I pointed out the UK and other European nations have a state church.

So start a thread about them, this one's about Islam. Iran, for instance is an Islamofascist state IMHO.

I'm sick and tired of Muslims persecuting, killing and in Africa enslaving Christians.

Who commit terror attacks far out of proportion to their numbers.

What religion does ISIS represent then?

 

And, I pointed out that the state church is separate from government decision making.

I don't agree that religion is the basis for many of these conflicts. They are Muslim, because everyone there is Muslim. That does NOT mean that such conflicts are unique to Islam.

ISIS represents ISIS. It absolutely does NOT represent Islam. There are more than a billion Muslims and a few thousand ISIS. You don't get to point to ISIS and claim you know ANYTHING AT ALL about Islam.

 

The Bible says that no one goes to heaven so how can you have citizenship there?

It would be nice if you renounce and denounce the Talmud. It is much more hateful than the Koran.

 

Are you saying that this has led to Islamic extremists such as ISIS?

 

Can't see any mention of Muslims.

 

These are not 'Muslim' terrorists. They are people who are fighting for the land they had taken from them. The fact that they are Muslim has little to do with it. They want their land and for Israel to stop depriving them of more and more land. Regardless of religion, this is happening in various parts of the world.

 

There are 26 Church of England bishops in Parliament, in the House of Lords.

 

Due to political correctness, they are Muslim, a friend who lives there sent it to me. Do you think it was Lutheran gangs?

 

When Muslims in Sweden set off 275 bombs last year is that Israel's fault too? Islam has engaged in murder and mayhem, just like the 'prophet', centuries before the modern State of Israel existed.

 

[Why is it you quote Pastor Kennedys supposed experience. I could go into any church today and find that even Christians of long standing don't actually know their Bible.

You keep quoting Isaiah 53 but there never was a 53 chapter of Isaiah, it was one book. Christians tell me that Jesus went to Egypt to escape Herod. This is simply because 'Matthew' used Hosea 11 -,which doesn't mention Jesus but is all about Israel. They talk about the massacre of the Innocents - again a misused OT scripture which refers to Rachel in the mythical story. They believe that the supposed Messiah (Jesus)was born in Bethlehem. But the OT only says he will come from - not be born in - Bethlehem.
Then we have Jesus being in Nazareth (Luke) while 'Matthew' has him in Egypt at the same time.
The story of Ruth. The story of Jonah. These were written against Jewish Nationalism. God allowed Ruth (Moabite) to marry Boaz (Jew). Written against Nehemiah's demand that non-Jewish wives should be put aside. Jonah to show that God was not just their God, but was concerned about gentiles. These were written as history - after the events, though the book of Jonah is just a story using a known prophet from earlier times.

I have to ask why, if the Bible is God's word, people like 'Matthew' were allowed to write lies.

 

Christian history is not much better. Read back on Church and Christian history.

 

The House of Lords has very little effect on law in the UK They can review and delay bills, but they can't block the will of the House under ordinary circumstance.

You're really stretching here. This is absolutely NOTHING like the Ayatollah or other various states where an organize religion is a key operator in government.

I'd point out that in the government we set up in Iraq the Qur'an is above the constitution.

In Israel, there are major religious parties including those who believe they have a God given right to steal the property of those living in Palestine.

 

My point exactly, in Islam, the 'church' IS the state.

In Islam there can be no other way, which is why it is idiotic for the West to bring in large numbers of Muslims. They are the first group if immigrants who think their way of life superior to ours.

 

Jesus never said to do that, unlike the bloody 'prophet'.

 

Almost!

In the US, the church and the state are separate.

So, your church/state concern doesn't apply here.

 

The Jesus character was in favor of having people who didn't believe in him thrown into the fire to be burned alive. He is not a nice guy.

 

Well, it's the West's interference in the Middle East that has caused all this trouble. In the main before Kuwait the nations of the area sorted out their own problems. We had no need to invade Iraq after pushing them out of Kuwait. They had already been put in place by being sent packing when they invaded Iran earlier. Now we threw them out of Kuwait and they were virtually bankrupt, having borrowed billions to invade, unsuccessfully, Iran. Small Antiwest groups grew support from the Arab world. The West never learns.

 

You're blaming the victim. The Islamic war on 'infidels' has been going on long before there was a West. Muslims in India killed tens of millions of Hindus, the historian Will Durant called it the bloodiest chapter in human history. It had nothing to do with the West or Israel.

 

You're talking about India - not the West.

 

Are you aware that Russia lost more than 7 million civilians in WWII?

Do you know how many were slaughtered by Christians in the various inquisitions backed by popes?

Do you know how many Chinese were slaughtered by Japan in the last few years before WWII?

Slaughter is not limited to one religion. We have to remember that ALL humans are capable of slaughter.

Besides, most wars have very temporal causes.