Did sin enter the world through Adam, Satan or Yahweh? Most, as well as scriptures, say that it was

Did sin enter the world through Adam, Satan or Yahweh?

Most, as well as scriptures, say that it was through Adam, even though Christians sing that Adam’s sin was a happy fault and necessary to Yahweh’s plan.

Given the necessity, Adam, from that, may not be the culpable one and his punishment would be unjust.

Satan had already sinned in heaven before being cast into Eden.

It can be truthfully said that she was the first sinner on earth if we ignore Yahweh.

Further, would you say that Eve sinned, given that Satan or the talking serpent deceived her?

That deception would take lies, and that is a sin, and that sin also preceded Adam’s sin.

Many do not see what the serpent says as a lie, which complicates things.

Was the initial sin, regardless of who did it, a happy fault and necessary to god’s plan like Christians sing in their Exultet hymn?

Did Yahweh lie when he told Adam that he would die if he educated himself with the knowledge in the Tree of Knowledge?

Why and how does knowledge kill us?

If it does, should we keep our children as blind to it as Adam and Eve initially were?

The Eden myth can get quite complicated, especially when Christians call it a fall, then say it was necessary so as not to derail Yahweh’s plan.

This last being what the Jews wrote into their myth and which they say is not the Original Sin of the Christian interpretation, but more like the Original virtue that the Jews call it.

The opposite of what Christianity says, if you ignore their happy fault view.

In terms of first sin, I see Yahweh, since sin was necessary to him as the first sinner, followed by Satan, Yahweh’s loyal opposition and teacher of humankind, and then Adam.

Why Eve at the end of Genesis 3 has to then be second class to Adam, --- he shall rule over you, --- would seem like Yahweh punishing the wrong party.

Thoughts?

Regards
DL

 

@Greatest I am I'am not christian. However, I think the tale of eden garden has interesting similarities between the growth of a kid to adulthood.

A young children doesn't understand what's sexuality, nudity or death it is. He is living a quite happy life.
Death doesn't exist to him, not because he is immortal but because he doesn't understand death neither care. Knowledge then doesn't kill us, but it make us aware of our own death, and make us know a torment that an animal or extremly young children don't know because of its ignorance.

If I don't believe in god, or in the genesis in a litteral way, I think it's an interesting story about what it is to become a young adult.

 

Yours resembles how Jews interpret Eden. Not a fall but an elevation.

We have the intelligent explanation as compared to the Christian view, even though they sing the opposite in their hymn.

They never explain that glitch. They run from explaining it in fact.

Regards
DL

 

Knowledge is power. Adam (by the influence of Eve, it should be noted) chose Free Will, and both the power and suffering that goes along with it, instead of the stagnant and impotent comfort and safety of being God's ignorant pet.

Or in a more simple comparison, he touched the hot stove to find out why he was told not to.

 

Given I embrace the idea that sin was manifested with the manifestation of the ego the self image that experentially separated man from god and is the result of thought and memory this manifestation of the ego was a given as long as the brain could create memory and thought .

Surely god gave the mind of man this ability? Unless you believe Satan is also a creative force.

It looks like that the ego had to manifest in order that it could be transcended so man could know that the stuff of god could dwell in man. That pure non ego consciousness was in essence the creator .

When man was one with god he ddidnt realize it no more than the newborn knows he is an individual.

So for man to know his essence was a part of god the ego had to arise and then be transcended in order that man could know the truth. Or Truth.

As Adam didnt know he was in essence god in the flesh the rise of the ego told him that he was separate from god. But if the ego created by thought and memory was trancended and understood only by this could man be conscious of man's true nature .

If true obviously this was a plan of the creator so that man is the instrument by which god experiences his creation and his or its own consciousness .

This would also mean that consciousness is fundamental instead of matter . That the material universe is a manifestation of big C Consciousness. Like a computer creates a virtual reality. The computer is a metaphor for Consciousness .

 

And the consciousness of humans is what has created all the gods, just like your computers virtual reality.

We just forget that and let ourselves be subsumed by our own creations.

Satan is likely a greater creative force, thinking wise, than Yahweh.

She was key to the myth and wisely did her job as loyal opposition and had A & E go get an education instead of staying as bright as bricks and blind to intelligent thought and a moral sense.

Regards
DL