Roger Stone sentenced to 3 years for lying, witness tampering as case roils DOJ

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  1. StillBlue

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    You've finally caught on that the Ukrainian government said that Biden did nothing wrong? Hopefully some others will cotton to that fact.
     
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    You know what? Courts don't tend to listen when Trump says ***** like that, they want actual proof. Was the jury foreman a Democrat? Yes, about half the population is so a jury of peers will have registered Democrats. Was she an anti-Trump activist? Only it seems in Trumps mind and by extension the usual Trumper's minds, no evidence of such. Does she dislike Trump? Again that is the position of over half of America.
    This is not the first time he's used a bald faced lie to rile up his base, actually it's rather a common tactic of his part.
     
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    Lying under oath to a Federal Grand Jury and witness tampering to get another witness to lie under oath. Yet Uncle Bill was let off scot free. I hope Trump pardons Stone right after his second inauguration.
     
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    Uncle Bill should have been hung drawn and quartered. That he was not is not a vindication of Stone.
     
  5. StillBlue

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    His out was the definition of sexual relations. To him that meant intercourse. To Republicans that means getting past first base. If Hillary was your wife would you voluntarily admit to getting consensual blow jobs?
     
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    ...and Bill Barr is vindicated.

    As for the TDS-addled Leftists who manufactured yet another "crisis":

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    Is not the ****ing jury supposed to be ****ing impartial?

    Does the jury foreman sound ****ing impartial to you and to the rest of Trump haters?

    But of course she does; she's perfect to judge President Trump! :wall:
     
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    Damn, now I gonna have me nightmares!!! :hiding:
     
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    She was questioned by Stone's lawyers. They knew she was a democrat. They raised no objections probably because her views on Trump are in line with a majority of Americans and you can only exclude so many. Now out of the blue Trump does.
     
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    Stone gets 3 years in prison for lying, but Schiff lying......
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    Being Democrat' no problems. Being an anti-Trump activist who dislikes Trump (Doh!) is a problem. Did Stone's lawyers know that? I'd be shocked if they did.
     
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    All that matters is lying under oath to a grand jury is a felony. Attempting to get a witness to lie under oath is witness tampering and is also a felony. The reason for doing so is irrelevant.
     
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    If you define her as an anti-Trump activist then there are well over a 100 million of them in the US and a fair number of them are Republicans.
     
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    So by asking the question "Did you have sexual relations with Miss Lewinsky?" the special prosecutor was guilty of witness tampering? Clearly the only purpose of that question was to get Clinton to lie. Had he told the truth we'd have to conclude that he was clinically insane.
     
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    No, you defined her as an anti-Trump activist and agan - jury supposed to be impartial.
     
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    Face it, Clinton lied under oath to tell the truth to a Federal Grand Jury and encouraged another witness to do the same. Both are Felonies, yet he wasn't removed from office. This set the Bar for Trump's acquittal. The reason for what Clinton did is irrelevant.
     
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    Excuse me but who defined her as such?
     
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    Very few, Trump has about 94% support among Republicans, I believe the highest ever.
     
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    The facts defined her as such.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/crimina...-1261-in-roger-stones-case-was-justice-undone

    "Hart is a Democratic activist and critic of the Trump administration. She was the Memphis City Schools board president. Not surprisingly, given her political background (including a run for Congress), Hart has been vocal in public on her views of Trump and his associates.

    She referred to the President with a hashtag of “klanpresident” and spoke out against “Trump and the white supremacist racists.” She posted about how she and others protested outside a Trump hotel and shouted, “Shame, shame, shame!” When profanities were projected on the Trump hotel, she exclaimed on Jan. 13, 2018, “Gotta love it.” On March 24, 2019, she shared a Facebook post — no longer public — while calling attention to “the numerous indictments, guilty pleas, and convictions of people in 45’s inner-circle.”

    More worrisome are her direct references to Stone, including a retweeted post, in January 2019, from Bakari Sellers, again raising racist associations and stating that “Roger Stone has y’all talking about reviewing use of force guidelines.” She also described Trump supporters such as Stone as racists and Putin cronies......

    It certainly seems Hart had no place on the Stone jury. The Supreme Court has repeatedly declared that the “minimal standards of due process” demand “a panel of impartial, indifferent jurors.” Hart’s record suggests little that is impartial or indifferent. She was perfectly within her right to engage in such commentary and protests — but she had no right to sit in judgment of an associate of the president after her public declarations. Her participation raises serious arguments for setting aside the verdict, from the possibility of ineffective counsel to the denial of due process."
     
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    We'll leave aside that you are citing an opinion piece. Are you suggesting that Stone's grounds for a retrial is the incompetence of his attorneys? It would seem so as they knew of her political affiliation and accepted her. And how do explain the other 11 juror's verdicts?
    He won't win a new trial for this. Perhaps something else, we'll see.
     
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    What facts in Turley's article do you disagree with? Did she not make those biased statements?

    It was a denial of due process, according to SCOTUS statements.
     
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    Her choice of hyperbole to accentuate what would otherwise be benign.
    I was unaware the SCOTUS has ruled on this case. Damn that was fast.
     
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    How can it be known that Stone will not be afforded a new trial? It cannot be known.
     
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    You don't care about SCOTUS statements applicable to this case?
     
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    Stone will most likely get a new trial.
     

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